Currently, It's a very well known fact that certain people on this server are spawn camping Pianus, making completing the HW quest on your own almost impossible. I think that if miniature Pianus instead had a small chance to drop from the dangerous/dead sea mobs, that would MASSIVELY improve the QoL of obtaining HW, without making it able to be gatekept by an incredibly small group of selfish players. Alternatively, Make Pianus a 3 man expedition, enterable once per day. This is my alternative solution to keeping Pianus in the picture, while still removing the ability for HW to be gatekept. In any case, I believe something should be done about this.
i completely agree about the expedition part mostly, theres gotta be a way to make one of the best area bosses in the game accessible for everyone. its the only reason its so hard to acquire rush30 even though alot of ppl drop it and dont even bother to sell. also cards, on average after asking 10-12 people, it took more then 2 months of actively trying to get 5\5 cards on both right and left pianus. i dont mind having a difficulty of some sort but this is extreme and honestly not worth it. thanks! p.s pro rex
Completely agree. Hopefully something can be done to fix the issue. Maybe it's time to reconsider this previously rejected piece of feedback: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/leaderboard-for-area-boss-killers.233392/
Boss campers get a bad reputation for no reason. Every time someone gets mad that they can't find a specific boss, they vent their anger in alliance chat, smegas and forum posts and it just encourages others to do the same later. The sad irony of it all is that a lot of people that complain about not being able to find an area boss are likely contributing to someone else's anger every time they hunt bosses for Olaf, Monster Cards, NX, seasonal drops, items, etc. As for Pianus Camping, it's not nearly as effective as you think it is. Let me explain what it entails. Let's start by assuming campers actually know that both Pianus were killed at 12:00 AM in the same channel. Right Pianus respawns in 16 hours on average within a 20% interval. So that would mean in respawns at a random time between 12.8 and 19.2 hours. Meaning that it would respawn somewhere in the 6.4 hour interval between 12:48 PM and 7:12 PM. Left Pianus respawns in 24 hours on average within a 20% interval. So that would mean in respawns at a random time between 19.2 and 28.8 hours. Meaning that it would respawn somewhere in the 9.6 hour interval between 7:12 PM and 4:48 AM of the following day. Waiting for either of those Pianus to respawn in those large intervals is ludicrous! The Pianus campers know this so they're more likely to camp in random channels with mules, and even that isn't very effective unless they have an army of 20 mules camped in every channel with eyes constantly on all of them. They don't do that by the way. At worst, I've seen maybe 2 channels with an active camping mule while a 3rd mule scans the remaining 18 channels every 15-30 minutes, which is just further proof that even they don't know when/where the next Pianus will spawn. So take this advice from someone who has frequently found a Pianus even during camping season: Frequent scanning of all 20 channels is the best way to find one. Finding a Pianus aside, you realize that you can actually buy the Miniature Pianus, right? They're not even that rare or expensive. Earning the 80m to buy 2 of them is still faster and easier than the effort required to scan the maps frequently, killing them and getting lucky enough for them to drop when there AREN'T any campers.
So let me try and get your logic straight. You think that when people complain to others about a certain aspect of the game, and those other people affirm that, they too, have also had similar grievances, that the person who is upset is wrong, and not that a core aspect of the game may be broken? In my mind, if a vast majority of people think that something is broken, it probably is. And to counter your second point, yes, camping pianus is hard and would require effort. That is exactly what's happening. Coordinated people are tracking and killing pianus on a *very* efficient and consistent basis. I do not know when you tried to farm for yours, but i spent 6 hours total spread across two days hunting for my mini pianus, and not only did i not see a single pianus (not mini pianus, the actual boss), the only thing I did see on multiple occasions were the spike bombs left behind from a recently killed pianus, this with me flipping channel about as fast as I humanly could. I know for a fact that there are not that many pianus hunters constantly flipping channels because I personally sat inside of a pianus room for over an hour and witnessed only one single other person enter my room *once*. This is absolutely a problem, and it doesn't matter how *hard* it is. Just because something takes a bit of effort to exploit, does not inherently make the exploitation of it okay. And finally, you cite spreadsheets of the supposed price of mini pianus, without actually seeing how the market is. The rate of mini pianus showing up in the FM is so low that there is a scalper currently who is buying them when he sees them and listing them for a stupid markup. The day I made this post there was a single seller with 20 minis listed at 60m each, and what's even stopping people like this from hoarding a necessary and small supply item and charging even more. The current state of pianus is rife with avenues of abuse that are only being taken advantage of daily. I do not see any fault in wanting to change something like this for the better.
sometimes we all just try to clean all 20 channels for nx, so we may not like seeing a boss we need for a quest (like Manon) get camped but it is what it is Pianus expedition sounds great tho, 1 per day sounds ok, maybe 2 but it's drop rate will have to be reduced or make it untradeable (yeah this affects economy, but all of this are merely ideas)
I never said that. But when someone's mad about not being able to find an area boss and decides to pull out a smega saying something like "Whoever killed all the Manons, I hope you step on a lego!" it creates a culture along the lines of "Let's be mad at this one guy because I saw him kill all the Manons for their monster cards!" (I've seen it happen) Everybody in this game is playing for themselves and there's plenty of reasons to hunt a Pianus. And despite my words, I do have some pity for those unable to find a specific area boss. But creating a thread that attacks "certain people on this server are spawn camping Pianus" (your words) is only contributing to that culture I mentioned earlier. My point from before is that campers are not the problem, the demand for killing Pianus is. Although I have frequently defended the way things are with bosses and their spawn rates, I do not actually think that things are perfect the way they are but I don't frequently see GOOD suggestions for improvement. Feedback is mostly along the lines of "I can't find the boss I need, please find a way to make it super easy for me." I prefer a game with balance - something tough but fair. I think about this problem a lot but I've not come up with a solution that I could be proud of... yet. As for HW5, it requires work to earn. It's no different from any other 4th job skill. FM scalpers are a separate problem. (and not just for Miniature Pianus) If you make the Miniature Pianus too common, it becomes a 1m item that defeats the whole point of the challenge. If you make it too rare, the scalpers do their thing. All that being said, do what you will with these... Duck Tips: Spoiler: Super Secret (not really) Duck Tips - Scanning the channels frequently is the best way to find anything. Camping isn't effective. But nothing stops you from camping with a character and scanning with another. You might scare people away by doing this. - Finding Area bosses to hunt can be easier/harder at certain times of the day/week. It's always harder on Friday, Saturday & Sunday. On the remaining days, the best time to check is 20:00 ~ 22:00 server time. That's when people in Asia have been asleep for a bit and activity has been on the lower end long enough for stuff to spawn. This timing probably doesn't apply as strongly to Pianus but the point is to keep an eye on times that are more/less successful for hunting. - Pianus spawns are too variable for anybody, even a small group of players, to coordinate kills for consistently. In my experience, Pianus hunting slows down on certain times of day and a bunch of them accumulate. Then one person or a few people come along and wipe the whole thing clean and the whole process starts over. Try to find that sweet spot. - Boss hunting also changes depending on the time of year. There may be a lot of people collecting NX for an upcoming event like *cough* Miwok *cough cough* for example. - I usually do chores while boss hunting. Do 20~30 minutes of chores, scan the channels, repeat. - Seeing the spike bombs in a Pianus room is misleading. That Pianus could have been killed 10 seconds ago, 10 hours ago or anywhere in between. I usually clear them when I can because seeing them frustrates me too. - FM Price Scalpers usually get tired of what they're doing eventually. It only takes 1 person to come along and ruin them. Miniature Pianus has been scalped a lot but it's price has always dropped back to 40m eventually.
So i'm not supposed to make a thread about people spawncamping pianus... when people are spawncamping pianus? Brother, I don't know what this "culture" you think i'm taking part in is. I'm not on here saying "zomg fug uuu!!! spawncamperzz!!!!!" I'm suggesting a solution to a very apparent problem. This is entirely why the feedback forum exists. I'm not here to complain and create a "culture" (that doesn't exist), I'm here to try and solve a problem that exists. If you take this as some personal attack then maybe it is time to look inward.
+1 for Pianus being a expedition. Its way stronger than Chao/Ephenia, its got its own exclusive zone, is huge and imposing, makes perfect sense. Always felt weird to me that Pianus being such a notable & memorable boss was an area boss. However I disagree with mini pianus being a drop from a mob, wouldnt make any sense. Spawn camping Pianus for money sounds ridiculous to me since why the hell would you do that when there are so many easier and more efficient ways to earn money without terrorizing the community. But then again there are people who regularly boss hunt for the sole purpose of nx making a whopping 25m/hour at the expense of olaf questers and card collectors, so wouldn't be too surprising if such idiocy was happening Coming up with a good solution isn't our job, thats up to the developers. Our role is mainly to communicate where there are issues. With Olaf quests and Card collecting becoming a thing, the dynamics of area bossing has changed dramatically and changes should be considered in light of the new dynamics as it's clearly problematic. Defending an issue just because the poster doesn't have a good solution is not the correct way to look at it.
