Shouldn't botting be considered in the same category as hacking?

I was wondering why Botting is only a 7 day ban? Isn't botting using a third party program to enhance or alter the gameplay?

Example: Using bots would allow oneself to attack, heal, move bypassing the 99-100th attack limit.

 

In my opinion, a 7day ban for physical botting,i.e. Putting a presse-papier on your keyboard, is too long. But if there were really people using software to bot, thát should be permabanned imho.

 

Putting something to hold down a button still limits you from using excessive attacks over the 100th attack limit. So, I don't believe that particular method is considered botting.

 

I put them in the same exact league.

 

I think they have to be at the screen if they are putting something on their key.

BUT,

I don't think there is a way to tell if someone is botting using a software, or just putting something on a key.

If the person is attacking, and doesn't answer a gm, or stop attacking after warp. it should be perma.

 

Botting is usually considered as "automated gameplay" so this can include both 3rd party programs as well as using objects to hold down buttons to attack for you. The main kicker being that you don't physically have to be at your computer for your character to function.

Although, putting objects on your keyboard to attack isn't considered hacking as would using a 3rd party program to bypass the attack limit would be. So I can see why the distinction is made between the 7 day ban vs the perma ban depending on what types of methods are used for botting.

 

Yes it is, try reading the rule again.

Spoiler

Engage in robot play (i.e., "botting") or any other behavior that allows you (or any character you are controlling) to automatically function or effect any action in a game with or without your presence; Punishment: 1st offence - 7 day ban, 2nd offence - permanent ban

 

Little did you know players are being banned for 7 days using a third party program. No one is getting banned for having an object to hold down a button as they should NOT since the 100th attack limit prevents them to pass that.

What happens if the object remains on the button and you have already hit the 100th attack? Your character will simply do "nothing". Since that happens frequent adjustments have to be made in order to attack once again. Therefore, that is not considered botting.

 

All the character does is the animation, but no skill actually happens.
AFAIK people dont get banned for putting things on their keyboard because they answer when a GM talks to them...

This brings a point i want to share,

for example, If i have something on my keyboard and i am attacking at newts, and Mike comes to talk to me, i don't think its mandatory and a person should be banned for not answering another regular player. i think they should only be banned if they dont answer a GM.

 

As David quoted:

Engage in robot play (i.e., "botting") or any other behavior that allows you (or any character you are controlling) to automatically function or effect any action in a game with or WITHOUT YOUR PRESENCE.

Catching people who are using objects to bot are a lot harder to catch than people who use 3rd party programs so this is why are you probably under that misconception. It is not fair to other players if a person only has to move their character once after 100 attacks to train while the rest of the time being physically away from their computer.

 

Unfortunately it is impossible to distinguish whether I am physically holding down my attack button or if I have an object on it if I am physically sitting at my computer watching the screen.

Botters using the object method are usually caught because they don't answer whisps or chat when a GM enters the map.

The unfortunate reality is that if you use the object method and you are still at your computer, you really can't get caught. Although by rule, you should be banned for using objects to hold down buttons since you have the ability to function without physically being at the computer which is against rules as David previously stated.

 

I honestly don't know how a GM observe botters, but what I believe would be the right motive.

Example: If a player spams their skill with no movements I would wait until they've reached their 100th attack. If they're still attacking then they're obviously hacking. Still, a GM should still warp that player out of the map to confirm.

Example 2: If a player portrays the same movements with healing/attacking in the same routine and a GM appears to check if the player is botting or not; If the player doesn't answer then the GM should warp that player out of the map. If that player is still moving/attacking/healing, obviously they're hacking.

Playing a Bishop is exactly what you have described as "unfair". Spam gen, come back adjust and continue to spam.

 

Absolutely not. Reread my posts with more attention to detail and you can see why this is definitely not the case.

The main point being this:

1) You still have to PHYSICALLY be at your computer to "spam gen, come back adjust and continue to spam." This is perfectly fine.

You are considered botting when you put an object on your keyboard then walk away from your computer while you spam gen. Then come back every so often to adjust to bypass the attack limit and rinse and repeat.

 

Exactly what many bishops do.

 

I don't doubt it for a second. As previously stated, it is impossible to distinguish whether a person is using the "object method" if they are sitting at their computer watching for anyone to question them. This is why they do it. No downside. No way to get caught.

As far as rules go, it is a bannable offense.

 

Ummm.... Like who? You can't do this at skeles because you'll be pushed around and fall; and almost all bishops grind at skeles now. At newts you could but rarely anyone goes there anymore. It's such bad exp it's not worth it.

But yes, putting a rock on your keyboard and leaving it is botting and a 7 day ban. If the botting uses a 3rd party program that's a perma bad.

 

It is worth it when you can set your stuff up and go make a sandwich while leveling. Plus, this argument is irrelevant to the reason why the rule was implemented in the first place.

You would be banned just the same if you were botting at snails or botting at newts. Exp gain doesn't determine whether you should be banned or not.

 

The thing is, players are getting banned for 7 days from botting with a third party program.

 

Dude, ask any GM this is considered bottling every time. Yeah, even if your attacks aren't doing anything it's still considered botting, go look through the ban appeals.

 

Thought I might wanna add my 5c here.

How about we take a step back and lets think simply and logically. In the parameters of using a PC that can run MapleRoyals, with a keyboard, and a mouse would be assumed as the 'norm' of how people usually play. Deviations of people physically using SIMPLE peripherals can usually result in normal play, +/- skill of the player giving them an edge to the play. While you are playing NORMALLY, it is humanly not possible to gain an advantage over other players, because we all follow the same Rules, Terms and Conditions, have NPC's that are supposed to behave a certain way, monsters that are supposed to attack in such a way or drop certain loot. Having these rules prevents us going outside of our natural play as a risk of being banned. The 100th attack interruption feature is also a function that dictates on how we play the game. Deviations of someone having a valuable advantage over someone else is miniscule however it is there, such as the skill factor mentioned earlier.

If someone is using a software with the assumed normal MapleRoyals setup to run the game to get a miniscule advantage over others they should not be punished (multiple clients, gamepad support, Windows OS), if it is a great advantage over others (hacks, botting, WZ edits, other 3rd party software) then there should be punishment.

If someone is using a hardware with the assumed normal MapleRoyals setup to run the game to get a miniscule advantage over others (a heavy object, a squirrel) they should not be punished, if it is a great advantage over others (paying an intelligent ape or people to play on your character) then there should be punishment.