The FM is ridiculously terrible right now. Every god damn item is very very very overpriced. Theres nothing worthwhile to spend money on for a high level character. Theres nothing to do for a high level character. Ill take myself as an example: having finished a lot of my equips im left with a few to go. The problem is scrolls for these, or the equips themselves are impossible to find. For instance i havent seen a ST on open market since i started playing 3 weeks ago. I havent seen one pulled from gach for over a week. Chaosing a cape is pretty much impossible because it costs ~250m each time i want to do so, and only once every few days (because of the scarcity of the scroll). These are just a couple of examples Some specifics: Narcs doubled more than doubled from 7-8m >>> 14-20m (theres none on the market) White scrolls have gone from <100m to 150m+ Chaos scrolls are practically non-existent in the market and cost upwards of 200m Regular scrolls are worth little to nothing to people who are established in the server, very few are actually needed A couple of ideas that might help stimulate change in the economy: A temporary increase in nx rate, perhaps 10 or 15k per day for a week or so A permanent increase in the gach rate of chaos/white scrolls, as well as narcs and apples ****** Chaos scrolls dropping from monsters *******
I'm aware of these things and have already stated what changes will be made in other threads. I am still on holiday at the moment so haven't been able to do much recently.
I think an increased rate of WS in gacha and Chaos Scroll drops would be helpful in stabilizing the economy. However, I have heard Matt voice opinions against the CS drop as it is un-GMS-like (unavailable in v62), so maybe we can have a poll to show our opinions on the matter. EDIT: Might want to ignore this post didn't see Matt's ^^^^
I realize that you plan on making some changes Matt, but just going to give a little input anyways. Chaos scrolls and white scrolls could be added as rewards for a potential BPQ (I know you said you had one in the works a while ago). The biggest problem right now is the incredible shortage of narcs. There used to be tons that were unsold in the FM for 10m, now you can't find them AT. ALL. I constantly smega saying that I'm buying them, I scan the FM ruthlessly, I tell everyone I see, and yet I can't buy any. There needs to be several new ways to obtain these, such as BPQ rewards and an increase in the number gach gives (right now I've only received 1-2).
Yeah, but you make it sound like naricain elixirs meant to be easily available and cheap? They are the the best attack potions in the game. And technically they should not be available at all since they are from CWKPQ as far as I know. Things like these should not be easily available. It makes other things like apples useless.
But the fact of the matter is that they HAVE been readily available and cheap. It is just recently that they became difficult to obtain. If you had not intended for them to be a widely used potion, you should've limited their availability more in the start. Now, a status quo has been established and it would be a huge change to the style of gameplay if you were to leave narcs in their current state. Also, apples are in the same situation as narcs. There are never any for sale.
Well this is because I am trying to get the game in a correct balance. They are not supposed to be easily available in game, so they will not be so readily available from gachapon, but will obtainable by higher levelled players through possibly some boss drops or a bpq reward instead which makes a lot more sense to me.
The TS makes it sound like people are starting to be done with their gears.. which sounds horrible after the server has only been up for two months. Or maybe my standards are way different and the gears that TS referred to aren't anything special. Anyhow, white scrolls are something that should be made rarer. And most certainly it should not be added into BPQ, if the point system will be anything like in dMS. They make perfecting equips so darn easy, straightforward and boring. From what I see they are already too common. I apologize for mentioning dMS, but white scrolls from bpq was one of the worst things in it along side with infinite MP washing (the morons added ap resetter back even though the old dms removed it for a very good reason). After gaining enough strength and strong enough party you were able to collect White Scrolls way too fast, making perfect equips be worthless. 30% scrolls should be used to land on the first five slots, maybe, MAYBE white scrolls when the equip is just too valuable. Now it's just: 1. Get a perfect clean equip 2. Land 0-2 30% 3. Ws the rest. Which is bullshit and cowardly. Where is the excitement.
Since we are discussing this here. Well I am in the following situation. I have done hundreds and hundreds of gachapon tickets and only once did I get a white scroll and never did I get a chaos scroll. I am a bad merchant since I can not keep up with the economy so my income from the FM is nonexistent. The one chaos I could afford to buy failed and as it is right now I can't buy more than one more because I don't have the funds for it. Also my equipment sucks because my scrolling has gone to hell and back and then back to hell again. Maybe some players have the funding and the means to get the equips they want and scroll them to godly status but I am not one of them and I guess there are many players like me out there. My opinion is that chaos scrolls should also be obtainable as monster drop and that ws should be more common. Also it is a good idea to have some stuff available through PQs, just make sure that also mages can obtain these items (since technically no mage is needed in any pq).
Vergil you do realize you can't hp wash with the dMS ap resetter right?.. it doesn't reset int, hp, or mp. And how else do you want us to perfect weapons? Are you going to be a big man and 30%x5 your one godly drop from hours and hours of farming? Let's do some math real quick ok bae? You said we need to land FIVE 30%s before we start WSing... I don't know if you are just in remedial math or if you're actually crazy. The odds of landing five consecutive 30% scrolls is... .002, also stated as .2% That means that might happen one out of FIVE HUNDRED TRIES. That also means you'd need around TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED 30% SCROLLS. Does that sound like it could EVER, EVER happen to you? I get about a concerto every 40 minutes in a party of 3-4 people at newties. Five hundred of those would take about 335 hours of farming. And matt said the odds of godly drops are around 10%. That means it'd take around 3350 hours of farming, or 140 days (OVER A THIRD OF A YEAR) of consecutive farming in order to, on average, just obtain enough weapons to attempt to scroll. Don't even start on the likelihood of 30%s. Your idea is completely unrealistic. The excitement lies in the fact that it'll take on average 50-60 white scrolls to perfect a weapon, which is A LOT of money. If you can rack up that many WS in under a few weeks, I'll go ahead and submit to your idea, ok? That's not to mention that some classes (CORSAIRS/BUCS) don't even have 30%s or their 30%s are insanely rare. White scrolls and chaos as rewards from pqs is a great system, and that's why it is widely revered as such.
In my opinion people should not think too much about obtaining a perfect weapon. This is v62, nobody had perfect equips back then, and white scrolls and chaos scrolls were incredibly rare. You could just 30% the first couple of slots and 60/70% the rest like most people did back in the day. Instead of aiming for an absolutely perfect weapon. I understand that in recent times, maybe gachapon has been chucking out a lot of white scrolls which may have made it seem entirely possible to make a perfect weapon but honestly, as you have said David, you will need tons. They will stay rare, even if made available from bpq and high level bosses. They won't be like a guaranteed drop or anything like that. If White scrolls were common, a lot of people start getting perfect weapons, and then I think the game enjoyment would decrease quite rapidly.
I know several people who had perfected items in v62 in GMS. And this is a private server with increased rates, meaning it shouldn't be as hard as GMS, or at least that's my interpretation. Also, the nonexistence of 30% gun scrolls is a thing. By no means am I saying make them common, just make there be a stable way to obtain them rather than randomly from gachapon. Their rarity can stay the same, but I'm tired of seeing level 40s with 2 WS and a Chaos from a lucky gach while, in all my time here, I have gotten 1 WS and 0 Chaos. It's fine if you make them extremely difficult to obtain, I just want there to be a definite way to obtain them so I'm not relying on some unstable, cardboard-eating vending machine.
Don't really care if you don't know how to use the resetter for washing. Though you should avoid being condescending when you're not sure, might look like a fool to the ones who know. Though I don't think that of you yet, not one to jump into conclusions that fast. There are many other factors into making great equips than just counting 0.3^5. I.e. most never work on a single equip and buying already scrolled items. I might refer to more factors accidentally. Though like Matt said, perfection isn't a necessity. It has just become a norm so it's automatically something that people try to achieve and thus when people join a new server they want the server to be able to provide such opportunities without thinking about it more, and if there aren't such opportunities they will feel it's wrong and ask for it to be "fixed", when in fact there is nothing bad in not having them. What actually matters is your equips in comparison to others. You can still blast through bosses with other godly items, if that's what you are afraid of, doesn't need to be perfect. Perfect items restrict the game a lot. Creating the best item, not necessarily perfect, with other methods would be way more rewarding than creating just one more perfect item with WS. Without WS there is way more depth in making equips. Items that aren't perfect when clean actually have a good chance of becoming the best, you actually referred to the reason yourself. Not only that but the risk that comes with 30% booming your equip makes it that much more rewarding. Though with the highest highs comes the lowest lows, booming your equip, and vice versa. And I accept your challenge! Though I have a job so you might have just ruined my career... One more thing, it doesn't mean the game is hard if we can't achieve perfect items. It's just that achieving perfect items is easy in most servers.
I understand what you're saying but thing is, it's ridiculously hard to make a perfect equips and it's only getting harder every day as the demand for white scrolls rises. How about you start playing for a bit and try to make a billion mesos. It will probably take you 2-3 weeks. What will you get out of those 2-3 weeks of effort? Like 4 chaos scrolls or 7-8 white scrolls.. Maybe not even that at the rate at which the prices are going up, but even if you do, how much closer will that take you to scrolling your perfect weapon? How much closer will that take you to having attack on your shoes and cape, and chaos scrolling your mask for a secondary stat? Not much closer at all. It's TOO hard to get a perfect equip right now. Even if the prices were to return to what they were 4 weeks ago when I started, it would still be VERY difficult. It would've costed about 7b to get enough white scrolls to land 7 10%'s on your weapon. I don't know about you but for me it takes a VERY long time to make that many mesos. I think something definitely needs to be done about the supply of these scrolls whether it's potential high-leveled pq rewards or just a higher chance of getting them from gach. And even with those implemented, I HIGHLY doubt all of us will be walking around with perfect 10%'d and WS'd weapons. The drop in price will not be that drastic imo. Maybe back to 100m per WS and 150 per chaos scroll which is still difficult.
The point is, inflation is ruining the market, along with serious stagnancy. There arent many things to spend money on for me personally. Im sure many people feel the same... Maybe 4 white+chaos scrolls are pulled every day (on a good day), do you seriously think thats enough for the 15-20 (this number is increasing daily) of us who need them to improve our gear? Inflation is rampant, chaos scrolls have DOUBLED in price... I saw one go for 250m the other day... 250!! For your average 130+ player thats like 25-50% of your cash (obviously assuming people carry 500-1b on them.. which im pretty sure many people do). Something needs to change here. Edit: bpq idea we could have varying levels of boss pq with different prizes. so for instance a 70 and below pq would give things like maple items, 10/60% basic scrolls 70-100 pq with weapons in that range and better scrolls (like shield attack) 100-130 pq with dragon weapons and scrolls that could be used on end game weapons (30% weapon scrolls, rare face/eye accessory scrolls, etc) and then a 130+ pq with white/chaos scrolls/apples/narc/end game weapons/chairs/masks.
I agree with Xeorr that inflation has gone rampant within the past few DAYS, not even in just WS and Chaos, but nearly every other items as well including scrolls and gacha-attained equips. So, I believe that the problem we have on Royals is mainly that there is too much mesos in circulation and nothing to spend it on (Due to the absence of WS/Chaos/etc). So, my proposition is that we gain an NPC that sells gachapon tickets. For maybe 10m per ticket, which I believe to be a good number, what this would do is allow for a higher chance of WS/Chaos/Narcs/Gaias in the market and lessen the amount of mesos. It's just a suggestion, let me know what you guys think. Short Version: Gach Seller -> Less Mesos -> More Items -> Battle Inflation
Well, I have worked out how to do randomstat equips through gachapon now (including godlyitems), so if I introduce this I presume it will make a lot of new items appear in the free market for people to use their mesos on?
David, the thing is, gacha has always been like that. In official MS, any level of player could spend their real money on gacha runs as a way to get some good items and make some ingame money. The difference here is that any of us can make use of the gacha, not just those who have enough money to be able to spend some on Maple.
This actually sounds like a great idea, we seriously NEED a way to dump mesos back to the server, because right now all the mesos in circulation are just going to one another. Everyone is essentially making more and more mesos and we have nothing to spend them on.
