Zakum is unrewarding

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    So in old source doing Zakum was actually a viable way to gain mesos, Gen had a decent drop rate (about 1 in 10 runs or so) and the money from selling helms was also kinda decent.
    Now however, Gen and the other books have a significantly lower drop rate (like I only got 1 Gen 20 since new source came, and the drop is like 1 in 20 now instead of 1 in 10).

    On top of that, while almost everything in the game inflated the Gen price and helms price stayed the same. So while the 50m from zhelm was decent back then today it's nothing (you'd get like 20m split) and you'd actually get negative income from Zak from using stoppers and other potions. As a Bishop unless you need to reloot helms there will be pretty much no reason for you to do zak when you can get more money and exp leeching.

    Now you can say you can do Zak for EXP but then Krex is a far easier boss without stun, weapon cancel or a lot of mobs while still having the same EXP and also dropping 5k NX like Zak does.

    I think a good way to fix it is to make Zak drop 2-3 5k NX coupons instead of just 1 (kinda like the multiple NX coupons HT drops).
    This will help with 2 things:
    1) It will make Zak actually worth to do if you don't need helm and basically make another way to get mesos aside from HT, leech and APQ
    2) There will be more NX in the market thus reducing the price of AP Resets, White/Chaos scrolls and other Gacha items that became too expensive now.
     
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    zakum mapleroyals is unrewarding

    FTFY.

    On a serious note, it's just the first thought which came to my mind. No intention to shitpost or anything.
     
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    As a player who only started bossing recently, i fully agree with this. Who knew bossing brings such little rewards? (Not me) Krex is easy to bring a hs mule but sometimes its difficult to find a bs (really, selling leech earns way more for them) for Zakum. I think Zakum rewards should be buffed as there’s usually at a 6 man party taking on Zakum as compared to Krex trios.
     
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    Beat me to it. Why does players want the staff to interfere with everything? You are the seller? YOU control the market. I didn't see any leech seller asking for any buffs- they just raised their prices accordingly with the market inflation, and you can too.
     
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    Let's do it. Spread the news.
     
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    Just my 0.02 and observation regarding the zak helm selling price.

    The current norm is VIP 100m, single helm 50m, reloot 20m, and skill book 20m.

    Ive noticed people are buying VIP more often than before where used to be hard to convince anyone to dish out additional 50m to upgrade to a VIP if there was only 1 buyer for the run. To me this is a sign of mesos/currency depreciation. 50m today isn't worth 50m a year ago. However, changing the price and jack up the price over night will result vacancy on the helm buyer slots since if everyone else is still selling the old price and you're the only one selling it at a higher price, you won't find any buyer.

    I don't have a good suggestion or solution to this since people dictate the market. I guess we can start small. Start smega selling helm with higher price, and be willing to stick with the price and willing to run anyway without taking buyer. Do this consistently over time to influence the market
     
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    I agree to increase the prices on Zak service because everything got expensive. As @ImJakeFromStateFarm mentioned the 50m now and 50m from before is different.

    As to why people tend to buy VIP zak service nowadays in comparison to old days is because HT got fixed and everyone shifted over to HT instead of Zak.

    Less sellers = more desperate for helms which results in buying more helms. (Just an observation)
     
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    Totally agree!

    #100mforZhelm! :D

    also selling vip for 200m would pays 2 apples for all the attackers in the party for short and EZ runs!:)
     
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    Woah, this seems abit too much lol, new players will have a hard time buying.
     
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    Old source ap resets were 7~9m and zhelm were 50m. Now ap resets are 16~17m so the amount of ap reset new players have to sell is about the same.

    However, if the income is strictly from farming and npcing, then that's another story.

    Everything is relative.
     
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    VIP buyers aren't really good, in old source you could get multiple buyers where each gets 1 helm and if some dced you'd still have more people. Here you'll be forced to have only 1 buyer and if they dc you'd get no money at all.
    And about the Gen price I think the reason it didn't increase despite reduced drop is because the bishop class got nerfed, Skele is worse now and you'd better make an archmage to get money quickly.
     
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    Spawn rates in general are being worked on.

    As far as I know, there's no intention to leave maps that got nerfed in the transition, nerfed. It's just complicated and takes time because [old source X] =/= [new source X], so we need to find Y to bring it back to what it was.
     
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    Honestly, I think any new player who is already lvl 50 can vote for 3 days, buy AP reset and get enough money to buy the helm.
     
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    I've actually seen some people desperate enough to buy a ZHELM for 70M and just yesterday somebody smegad that he is buying VIP for 150 because he couldn't find a seller. Going from 75/150 seems like a good point to start at (imo) and then slowly increase the price until it reaches your goal (100/200, I suppose?).
     
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    Also wanna point out that a good number of zhelm buyers aren't new players, but HP-Washing characters, whose are usually funded by a leecher mage.
    That said, leeching prices are double than before, so why not zhelms would be double as well?

    I'm not as active as before, but zhelms for 100m? #gogo
     
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    #100MiL4Helms

    For some reason HT's books are also nerfed?
    But also a needed gameplay adjustment to avoid inflation, perhaps buff zakum exp given?
     
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