Zakum warp

Discussion in 'Closed' started by Andreas, Dec 30, 2014.

  1. Andreas
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    Is there any chance Zakum exped can be changed right now with all the server lag
    you dc and you dc and more dc I just entered zak and because of lag every1 dced, and without spawning zak you still lost a run.

    Can this be changed so the people that signed up for the exped can warp in without losing a run until zak is spawned.
     
  2. John
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    If you search through, this has been discussed previously. There is no possible way we can think of to set up a rewarp system that would not only work for those legitimately DC'd, but also prevent any abusers from trying to take advantage of it. ~gm remains your friend :D
     
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  3. Andreas
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    I must have missed it thanks for the answer.
     
  4. Gi
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    This still makes you have an advantage if you go on a run with a GM in your party; wouldn't call this fair for everyone either @John.

    I've seen numberous of people asking (read begging) for a GM to respond to their ~gm's because the server died on them. Not to
    mention the rewarp policy has grey areas too... So, reconsider this thead. It serves as a great basis, and things certainly aren't
    impossible, even found in that same thread:

     
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  5. Andreas
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    Also my point was only before the zak run starts i had several times where you enter and lag starts and you dc, i dont think you should lose a run when zak hasn't even spawned for you.
     
  6. John
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    Then let's just have all GMs not have legits. I mean, come on. By and large the staff is very fair and is as responsive as possible. These same GMs who work on players' problems should have the ability to play in the little free time they have to be on their legits. Rewarping allows them to actually do a boss in the time they are on their legits, but you have a problem with that so I'll stop there.

    Moving on... I don't think anyone realizes the amount of ~gm's that come in in the course of a 24 hour period. Matters are made even worse when there's only one GM on at the time or the server recently had an issue. Also, the selected quote choice presented the context in a completely different manner than was intended. The quote was:
    Problematic in the very least being the system would be exploitable, which is not desired by anyone.
     
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  7. Stan
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    On the note of losing one of your 2 allocated Zakum expeditions per 24 hours due to d/c, would it be possible to make it so that if you d/c before zakum is spawned, one of your 2 allocations is not taken up? I.E. The counter for expeditions ticking over at the spawning of zakum, rather than the entering of the altar? Personally, I haven't actually experienced a d/c before the spawning (although I have d/ced very early on ><), but this would solve part of the quota of ~gm warp requests, potentially lightening the workload?(Especially with the limited number of active GMs atm)
     
  8. Gi
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    People have lifes outside MapleRoyals too, it's not because a member of Staff spends some extra time helping players they should get advantages when they're doing a boss run. (Because you aknowledge that there is an advantage overhere.) Players might also have a limited time where they're able to boss. Or organise boss runs at a specific time so everyone can join in, if they then have to hope there's a memeber of staff online to rewarp them that's pretty annoying. Perhaps they should thought to ask some Staff's legit to join, as backup plan for disconnections.
    If that's the case, I think a lot of players would be willing to help with some of the issues here. People apply for being Staff, so they choose to have less time to play on their legits. I think it's been hammered in many times to you're all volenteers for a greater cause to which you willingly apply for. Don't use this as an arguement to say this perk is justifiable!

    Yes, lets quickly get the inception of favoritism (and GM advantages) out of everyones head. Or did it pop into the mind now?
    My opinion on GM legits is not relevant here, and even the whole disccusion about it isn't of any relevance. The reason for threads like this is simply because the Staff can't handle all the tasks they're creating for themself. Lets be fair, if you want to pet the players, you're going to have more tasks as a team.
    • Report abuse section;
    • Sharing votes with sibblings;
    • Checking for cheaters;
    • Create events;
    • ...
    Should you have these sort of things? Perhaps. But should you all do it manually? I doubt so. So once again, if you keep all these instances (and do it manually) you will lose time to play on your legits. More often than not ~gm's are not replied, most likely due to the overload of work.

    Weird, when I was on as a GM, the ~gm's were quiete managable back in the summer months. It certainly didn't have less players online, so it must be due some recent changes you guys get an overload of reports, just speculation though.

    That's why I've stated that it's a great basis, not a watertight solution. I don't think that we, players, should come up solutions for the server's problems in the first place? All we can do is give feedback about issues. There have been a few threads about this issue, where I don't think the Staff has fully tried to work something out. Simply saying in the next thread no solution has been found is not really constructive, as maybe you have learned more about the server. Which makes me hope that by now you've learned a bit more about Java (or any object related language) and know that this doesn't require SQL statements? So, please, check facts before making announcements that are invalid? I didn't take the time to reread all the threads about this subject, but here are some (extra) ideas:
    • X amount of, say 2, rewarps per person per boss run;
    • Relog in an isolated map where an NPC offers a rewarp (if you do so withing X, say 5, minutes);
    • Obviously some easy checks if a player relogs while being dead, and what not;
    Something like this seems pretty solid already right? Ofcourse, you could just make the server lagless and not need any of this.

    Implementing such thing would be fairly straightforward, not require the database, and most importantly be fair for everyone.
     
  9. Dustin
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    What do you expect, the staff not warping themselves or anyone else after a mass-DC because it would be unfair to those who don't have a GM with them in the same situation? Come on, you know damn well that that's hugely silly.
    I'm not saying it is perfectly fair, but talk about making an elephant out of a fly, dude.
    The world's not perfect. Deal with it. Everyone still has a chance of having their run refunded.
    Heck, let's not forget I made that rule to begin with.

    If you know how to do it better so well, then why did you leave in the first place? You're not helping anyone here. All you're doing is stoking the fire. That's not my, nor anyone else's, cup of tea.

    If you have critique about something, then PLEASE don't ever use question marks at the end of a statement. It's called passive aggressiveness and it's one of the worst traits a person can express. It makes me want to pull my hair, reattach it with ductape then pull it again. Twice.

    Seriously, grow a pair.
    If you're going to insult the staff, at least be forward about it. Don't hide behind half-assed criticism. Go hard or go home.
     
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  10. Goofy
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    Perhaps it's time to seek out some help from those who can actually fix the underlying issues, be it a permanent position or a quick freelance job. Then the GMs could actually do what they're supposed to do--search for cheaters, help players with unique issues, and hold events--rather than using them as warp and refund slaves.
     
  11. John
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    We are indeed looking into solutions and have been for quite some time. As many know, it's just as frustrating for us as it is for you guys.
     
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