HP Washing : Double washing?

Just tested on my fighter.

Warriors get 4 base MP per level up.

My fighter has 45 BASE int and 50 int total.

I gained the following MP per level-up AP:

+6 / +8 / +8 / +8 / +7

 

I split this thread off from http://royals.ms/forum/threads/hp-washing-bug-cant-remove-mp.17991 Just so people dont get confused.
Feel free to continue discussing the mechanics behind this all in this new thread, so we can leave the bug report thread for the actual bug itself.

 

Sila, I just posted a thread in the guide section with an OP that contains a full description of the process. Perhaps the later posts could be moved over there?

Actually warriors get 2-4 MP per point added to MP, not a flat 4 so this fits expectations perfectly.

 

The number shown when you use an AP reset is actually the number that gets reset though. The only new discovery here is that you gain (base int/10) MP in addition to the minimum for your class when you add a point to MP. This is no more a bug than all of HP washing is a bug.

 

For warriors it works as intended, save that when you deduct or add to HP it shows -20/+20 while it actually deducts/adds 50. This is due to the Improving Max HP Increase skill that warriors have. I will expect something similar for brawlers (40 instead of 20).

First you add 5 level up AP to MP, as that boosts your MP almost the same way as leveling does (base MP per level + base int/10 as MP). Then you remove the 5 points you inserted into MP and put them into primary stats. This means that the base MP you gained from adding to MP is lost, but the int/10 bonus is still there, allowing you to wash more HP.

This does not mean you can continue to add more AP from MP to a primary stat.

 

I hadn't paid that much attention to Emu's video. If that is a bug, it's a bug with the improving max MP increase skill, similar to the way that effects of improving max HP for warriors don't display properly when adding points to HP (except in reverse - that works but doesnt display, this displays but doesn't work).

If i recall properly the washes I did on my BM, a non-mage character using a reset shows the normal number for that class being removed regardless of base int (12 for bowmen and NLs, 4 for warriors, 16 for pirates). I'll level up my warrior as soon as possible to get some screenshots.

That's not what he's talking about. Go watch Emu's video - it clearly shows when he uses the reset that he should be losing 70+ MP per reset, but he's only losing 2X. I believe that's what matt's talking about being a bug.

Edit:


100 Base int warrior, Ap resets show taking away the same amount of MP that they would take away on a 4 int warrior. This is also the amount that they actually remove. So like I said above the only new thing here is that adding a fresh point to MP gives (baseint/10) bonus MP, and the bug that's evident in Emu's video is likely due to the improving max MP skill if it's due to anything.

 

Ah, my bad. That should indeed be fixed. If mages only lose that little mp, they might as well be able to get to 30k HP and MP.

 

With MP Washing, it's definitely possible to make a 30k MP Mage, but I highly doubt it's possible to make a 30k HP Mage.

 

So is it possible to continue washing at level 200 with 4 base int and int equips?

 

From what I've read, Int Equips will not work when adding AP to MP and only adding level-up AP will give you additional MP based on your base Int.

 

No. This method requires both base INT, and AP from a level up. Reset AP cannot be used, and even fresh AP with 4 base INT will result in a net loss of 1 MP per reset used.

 

In other for this whole engine to start, you have to put at least 1 AP into HP first, right?

 

Because of a bug that exists right now you cannot remove points that have been put into MP unless you have previously put a point into HP. You will still gain the bonus MP from base INT when you place the points into MP, you'll just be missing some AP until you do put one in HP.

Since 99% of people would be doing this for HP washing, you can just consider that your first wash, and take an extra point out of MP.

So if I level up my warrior with 100 base int and put 5 points into MP, I will gain about 15 MP for my class and 50 extra MP for the base. However I will be unable to remove those AP from MP and put them into my other stats. If I level up again, I can put 4 AP into MP (gaining ~52 MP, 40 of which is extra) and 1 into HP. Once I put that 1 into HP, I will be able to reset 10 points out of MP, meaning I have done 9 MP washes and 1 HP wash. I could also leave that 1 HP wash undone, so I would then be able to MP wash 5 times per level and actually get my points back out immediately.

 

From my research of double-washing in GMS back in the day, INT equips are supposed to effect your mp gain from level-up ap as well.

 

They should, but for some reason they don't here.