I suggest to clearly state in the Terms and conditions when it is a baneable offense to use a monster sack.
WHAT? Is that a baneable offense in even a single situation? WTF Can you say more about this, please?
Yes, even if you do it on your own channel to a random guy and only do once (Not even targeting a certain individual or surfing channels to find leechers) so yes, some clarification on the terms and conditions regarding monster sacks would be pretty good so that way everybody knows where and when can a monster sack be permitted to be used or when can it end in a ban under "harrassment" since we have -kinda- stated what falls under mass defame and other things.
Does sacking ppl in town will make them lose their charm tho, or if die in town you will not lose charm? If yes then why sacking people in town is fine but in monster map is an offense if you will lose safety charm no matter where? I just wonder because dont know if die in town will lose safety charm or not, if anyone know pls help answer, thankss. Also in your case, as in Minor Infraction/Objectionable Behavior, ToC said that, it will reserve you a ban if your action either is PERSISTENCE or HAVE A LEVEL OF AGGRESSION, so your random sacking 1 person is not any of it, not a persistent action to bother ppl nor doing it in massive level, so i think still a bit harsh for your ban, maybe just a badluck. But i think its not really break the rules to get a ban for that. However regret of the last day event for u too, also if in any case u got unbanned, hope u becareful with the trolling action and next time not troll ppl cuz i dont like trolling action too. Honestly, i still dont know what your trolling action fall under any specific rules to get ban. It should say clearly in ToC about how sacking can get people banned.
This is a very wrong ban from GM on u, am sorry. I find it no problem to sack at your own map lol. People are afk at their own risk on others map.
Lol nxt time just hit the mob n let it hit u n everyone in the rope instead save ur sacks for 200 party
I am in support of clarifications being made to the T&C regarding sacking people, after reading Graces's ban appeal. In the past, we have seen sackers getting banned due to them sacking leechers DURING the middle of their leeching sessions, but in Grace's case, not only did she have mapowner, but the sacked victims were not in a relatively safe spot to AFK at (If I recall, if Petris use a magic attack on you in that rope, you can get knocked back right?). I feel that this ban would have been more justified if Grace did not have mapowner, but because she did, this ban is a little bit questionable. From our understanding, the owner of the map has the right to do what he or she pleases to do in that map, correct? While I agree with Stephen's perspective of looking at the consequences of his actions, it also blurs the definition of what a mapowner can do with his or her map. In my opinion, I see Grace having mapowner as having more power over this possible objectionable behavior. Also, to give another scenario based off of Stephen's perspective of looking at the consequences, let's give the slime boss during the Valentine's Event. I personally was not able to get in to channel 1 maps on my mules because sackers kept killing my low hp mules as I was trying to enter into the map. Because of these sackers, not only did I lose a small percentage of exp, I also lost the chance to get into the channel 1 map and I know that I am not alone on this matter happening multiple times. However, despite saying all this, I do not think this falls under objectionable behavior because that is what the purpose of sacking is for right? If people get banned for using sacks for its purpose, then what's the point of it even existing in the game? Just my thoughts and I would love to see more discussion on this matter!
Will he get unban or nah, lol, dunno if he is kind of person who keep work until last day of deadline like me lol, today is last day of event and i believe many ppl want to finish last task to get the medal and/or exchange stuffs. If it is wrongfully ban (seems like it is) so i think he should be unban asap cuz time flying, the event will end soon in few hours.
the part that gets me is that apparently we're supposed to learn a life lesson from all of this? after getting more information and context, i regret saying this ^
I couldn't help but think of the "life lesson" as a power play done by the GM, seemingly unprofessional in my opinion. I think this random and once-in-a-blue-moon sacking of our players is killing the server. The loss of ~10% EXP and any NX involved with safety charms will drive the players away. I think something should be done about this. Sacks are notoriously used against players, with this in mind, why are they being given as rewards from Ola Ola events? If we do not abolish the means of receiving these dangerous sacks, then we must suggest other means of disabling OR limiting this terror on the player base. I think a fair suggestion is to restrict sacks (of any level) to towns only.
I think most people associate sacks as a means to kill players that are low-level or AFK. I'd wager that only a few would first think of monster cards or EXP from using sacks. I think anti-sack clauses in the T&C would look a bit silly. However, they should be added because the current system is not adequate. Using monster sacks in town, for example, are treated at the discretion by the GM present. In other words, some will ban for this while others might not. Conditions that lead to bans, in my opinion, should be limited to the least amount of discretion possible. Therefore, it would help if monster sacks and the conditions in which you use them (that result in bans) are added to the T&C.
If you are looking for a self ban, good news! The GMs created a self ban button using an existing game item called Monster Sack with no extra coding resources needed and seamless integration with the vanilla nostalgic experience! How brilliant.
Fun fact: i actually used mysterious sacks to lvl my shop mule when it was super low lvl. Spawned them at henesys whr the spawn spot wld b at near nana. It was actually quite good exp at that time. Another fun fact: i was trolled multiple times by ppl using sacks at skeles which ended up making 0 skele respawns cos they used too many mysterious sacks so i was surprised when i was in skeles with 0 mobs till i went up n found these noob mobs.
Yeah, not only are the mysterious sacks fun, they were pretty useful and in abundance given the event going on. Though, with their abundance and spawns, they were quite chaotic in towns too.
Lol this ban is the weirdest, why give us sacks if we cant use them? It doesnt seem like harrasment when you kill only 2 guys in ur map, its not like surfing channels and killing people being leeched, only 2 afkers. I do it to my friends alot and these two weren’t even personally targeted. I hope they will remove your ban and make clarification on this matter if needed. If you dont want people to be sacked so get sacks out of the game. I also didnt understand why would I have to make sure they have safety charm, like should I ask them if they want to get sacked ? Lol edit: I just had to add that people should take into consideration losing 10% if they buy leech and go AFK for hours, My suggestion is to set a timer to the time when the leech is done and log out, Cause basically you could also naturally die if someone went grinding there and hit mob one time and go to the rope, doesn't matter how you die - if you fear so much about losing EXP, don't afk - its that simple.
I'm of the opinion for staffs to state the official stance regarding monster sack after internal discussions and considering all the feedback from players, and document it clearly in T&C. Something along the line of (just an example, this is NOT the words from staffs, keep this in mind ): "We DO NOT condone of using monster sack for the purpose of killing players in anyway. It is up to the players' discretion to use the monster sacks among themselves for their own entertainment on the grounds of mutual understanding. Should any credible harassment/abuse report be submitted against the sack user, the staffs will handle the cases according to XX terms. So players are advised to use monster sack at their own risk and be responsible for their own action."
