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    You need to post unedited and uncropped screenshots that show the entire conversation.

    There are far too many things unclear here.
    - what was the agreement about the NX?
    - and the other drops? (E.g. ring)
    - who owned the bishop? Were they wanting it to get leech? Was there discussion about this?
    - did Threo actually understand why you wanted party leader, given that you asked for it but did not explain why?

    Is it correct that you got both Krex rings? If so, then you really need to just be grateful for what you did get. The rings are worth far more than the NX, and in a quad you're lucky to get one ring, let alone two.

    Threo also reduced his own exp by kicking you. This makes me think it was either accidental, or a poorly thought out impulsive decision made in frustration. And that makes me wonder if there is a bit more to this story.
     
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    the ss are not edited, its how i took them in the first place. only after i submitted a forum report i was told that a full ss is requierd, which by then i already lost (most) of the chat.
    i do have one full ss from the whispers part (which is the last part) but thats not gonna give u any new presctive, same content just in full screen.

    also most of your questions have answers to them in my og post, but seems like i wasnt clear enough or some things werent properly (or not at all) explained, so let me answer anyways:

    - what was the agreement about the NX?
    not sure, other pt members split it between them. nx looting is not the problem here, if it was rest of the pt would have been here complaining i assume. him looting and running away after kicking me out with zero explanition IS in fact a problem. (did i mention he left pt and changed cc? aka tried to dip but was caught with /find)

    - and the other drops? (E.g. ring)
    both rings were agreed to be mine as stated in ss by thero himself

    - who owned the bishop? Were they wanting it to get leech? Was there discussion about this?
    i said the bs was mine in the first sentence of the details section.
    we didnt specifically discuss that but when pt asked bs to be out the pt for us to get extra exp i didnt particullarly object, in fact, i didnt mind.


    - did Threo actually understand why you wanted party leader, given that you asked for it but did not explain why?
    well yes, and even if he didnt i literally wrote "you are in charge of bs" which should give him enough idea why i asked since it was all we were discussig since end of 1st run.

    thero did not in fact reduce his own exp, he gained extra exp by having (the wrong) one less pt member inside the pt before the last hit. my bs, however, did get exp from that run, funny right?

    theres nothing more to this story and i cant strech this enough except for TheroWolf being an absolute dick and yall being keen on finding an excuses on his behalf as to why he was being a dick for some reason.

    so let me help you: he was simply a dick, theres no reason.
     
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    Sorry I missed that.

    Why did you not just leave party on the bishop yourself? Why did you need him to expel it?

    Kicking a party member who did damage causes everybody to lose exp.
     
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    In future when you bring bishop to a boss run, leave the party after you cast HS. This is very standard practice, and almost certainly would have prevented this entire dispute. The leader will reinvite it at the right time - they want HS too.

    I suspect Threo was frustrated at being expected to do what he considered your job. It also makes absolutely no sense that you would need leader to kick your own bishop at the end of the second run. You can just leave party on it, and there is no need to reinvite. By asking for the party leadership, you were really just being difficult.

    If him kicking your bucc was intentional, then yes it was an overreaction. But I don't feel it is blacklist worthy as a one-off.

    Both of you need to improve your communication.
     
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    nah, he was being difficult by insisting on holding on to his near and dear leader title

    i was very much considerate by agreeing to bring 2chars to that boss run and operate both as per pt request
    all he had to do was press his damn macro key and loot his drops at the end. instead, he chose to be an ass and cause unnecessary drama

    he needs to improve his own behaviour and manners
     
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    There was absolutely no reason for you to need it though. Asking for it was just simply weird and irrational at that point. Like I said, you could just leave the party on the bishop, and then there was no need to reinvite as it was the last run.

    What is your reason for not simply leaving the party on the bishop?
     
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    I'm not tone policing in the slightest, simply articulating the reason why Pizza's language and attitude might have triggered the guy in the first place.
    If he ignored you the first time, then that means a no.
    You're not entitled to being given leader simply because the existing leader 'messed up'. Again, I'm not justifying TheroWolf's response, but if it's he was the one who recruited for and set up the party, then it's ultimately his say as to whether he wants to pass over party leadership or not. Since you neglected to leave the party with your bishop, it was your mistake as much as his (and he may have been expecting you to leave the party yourself). Additionally, attackers bringing mules to boss runs is a very common practice - you're not special for having a bishop. If you want to lead, you can try recruiting a party for yourself (though I certainly wouldn't want to join any of them).
     
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    I dont recall saying i was special for having a bs, dont pull words out of my mouth.

    Honestly atp im not even gonna bother anymore, i said everything i had to say.

    oh and btw, if i was recruiting pts i certainly wouldnt want you in them either. So remember my ign and do not contact me. Thanks​
     
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    Are you going to answer the question that many of us would love to hear the answer to?

     
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    I almost thought you had a point until I realized the BS was yours. Why couldn't you just leave pt on your BS? Simple question.
     
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    100% should be your responsibility to leave party on the bishop imo and that part alone is what devalues your point in this discussion
     
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    Okay lets end this since pizza not gonna bother about this case anymore :sammykiss:
     
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    True, most of us have Bishops. But you seem to believe you're entitled to special treatment simply for bringing one to the party, which is not the case (unless agreed upon beforehand).
    Fine with me. Consider yourself blacklisted.

    Now answer Tentomon's question: What is your reason for not simply leaving the party on the bishop?
     
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    just move on guys, it was just a bad day for both sides
     
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    I have rather mixed feelings on allowing people to do a shit and run on another community member in this thread.

    If you report somebody here, you need to be prepared to listen to other members of the community, and accept and acknowledge if you handled a situation poorly. Not doing so is toxic. It's not fair to slander people.

    In this case, pizza will be ending up on a lot of personal blacklists. Pizza, it would be in your best interest to apologize for your behaviour, and to reassure the community that in future, you will communicate better and will act as a team player.
     
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    I agree pizza should conform with server standards but hes not slandering (saying something thats not true about Thero), Thero absolutely did something wrong here as well and he didnt apologize at any point after the run for what he did so its pretty clear it was done on purpose (unless pizzas withholding information). Additionally, no one is obligated to resolve an issue its not a "shit and run" he replied to the criticism and its clear he thinks that his way of dealing with the bishop is better than server standard. Its a disagreement plain and simple (in which i think hes wrong for that specific opinion)

    This is being blown completely out of proportion no ones slandering or being toxic (disagreeing does not mean toxic but it does mean he could be in the wrong ie him saying its easier to kick the bs is wrong according to server but not toxic). As briefing said, both sides had a bad day, lets move on
     
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    Okay, fair point. I thought Pizza was a bit overly toxic with the report, but I do also agree with you here. Threo's behaviour was indeed pretty bad.
     
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    1. IGN: Jvlichael, DrGroove (same person, aka Michael) [in Chaos guild]
    2. REASON: Rage quitting/leaving CWK on the 1st run and not returning
    3. DETAILS:
    This was trio bon CWK where I brought 4 clients (Bishop + Trio attacking with drk, bucc, NL), BigDaniel and Jvlichael/DrGroov.

    BigDaniel (warrior) asked if his IRL friend (NL+SE) can join who has "insane gear". I asked for his level and it was 171 NL and 144 SE. I interpreted insane cgs as 50+ CGS or perf weapon so I took him. Normally, I would not take 171 NL attacking on one client.

    Archer's room took a bit but I understood as his SE was low-level. Rage quit happened when we got to the boss stage. Keep in mind that there was absolutely zero communication until the screenshot.

    After moving my drk and bucc at bot, used up skills and started attacking. Then, I came back to my NL screen to attack on the NL and I saw his NL doing 5k~15k Crit per line on the first 3 lines of triple throw on the mage boss. This either meant his friend lied about his "insane cgs" or he was not appling or he is 3~4k NL using apple. (I'm sorry I don't have ss of the dmg but who knew he'd rage quit). This is why I sounded aggressive when I was saying things like "Are u serious, u call this guy's dmg insane gear". Anyone would be upset to see NL doing 5~15k per line. He had plenty of time to use apple as I have spent enough time to set up my attackers at bot. Regardless, I tried to continue the run by advising him to "just attack pirate first" but he was already triggered and quit the game. This should be shown in the ss.

    Jvlichael/DrGroove is also in the Chaos guild which is the alliance guild of my attacker. I have talked to my guild and master of the Chaos guild to resolve things internally but Jvlichael/DrGroov did not apologise to me personally but he apologised to my guild instead (?). Anyways, master of the Chaos guild approved me to post him on the community blacklist as he doesn't want to apologise to me personally.

    I'd advise not to do bossing or content with Jvlichael/DrGroove.

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    in this situation, I would have put up with the run and never ran with this guy again. it’s not worth it pursuing the issue any further

    putting him on blast during the run (asking him about his cgs during the run, making rude comments about it to his friend), and putting this on the community blacklist is quite toxic
     
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    I get the impression that Jvlichael was an innocent victim in all of this, and that BigDaniel might be the one with some explaining to do. Seems he put his IRL friend in a rather uncomfortable position by being dishonest about his damage.
     

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