Dark Knight Zerk/Washing Questions

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    I am a level 133 DrK
    I am trying to achieve 30K HP with HB (18,750 BASE)
    Unfortunately, because of my lack of game knowledge I never wore INT gear when leveling. ( w/ the exception ZHelm whenever I got it)
    My current base HP is 8600ish (I'm not on my PC right now)
    My current base mana is 896
    The current Minimum MaxMP for my level is 688 [(4 x level) + 156]
    At my current level I have enough spare MP for 52 washes (208 MP)
    With 52 washes that will boost my base HP to 11,304 (18,086 w/HB)
    At level 150, to achieve 30K HP w/ HB, I will need 748 spare MP (187 washes)
    I currently only have 21 INT. If I boost this to 40 INT before I return to leveling, at level 150 I will have only 21,260 HP w/ HB

    1) What will I need to do to achieve 30K HP w/ HB given my predicament?

    2) At what HP can I comfortably Zerk at end game? Is 30K HP a necessity to Zerk efficiently or a luxury?

    3) What kind of HP potions should I use at each certain HP range
    Is 30K HP?

    4) Is it possible to add AP into HP, remove AP from HP, and repeat (this is a method I've seen possible from other servers) How much HP will be gained using this method? Is it worth doing despite how inefficient it is given my situation?

    5) Should I just kill myself
     
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    1) 30k for a DrK even in your situation is possible but you will need a lot of money.

    2) Going to defer this section to a proper DrK but as far as I am aware, even without max HP, Zak you can easily zerk as long as you don't tank body, Bigfoot same as Zak, but Horntail might be different.

    TL; DR 30k HP is more of a luxury than requirement because you should be able to zerk most bosses that 30k HP DrKs can, BUT it will always be scarier for you because you won't have the same margin of safety the max HP DrKs do.

    3) This Dark Knight guide by Plenty has a section on berserking and potions.

    4) No. You might be confused with MP washing which is a huge financial commitment but also might be required in your situation.

    5) In-game? Yeah, you'll prob die more than the other DrKs if you haven't washed but it isn't the end of the world.

    I usually wouldn't answer a thread on a topic that I'm not too experienced in but you seem like you are panicking and I just wanted to calm you down lol. If you are severely underfunded and want this DrK to be your end-game character, maybe you should consider restarting after making some money.

    IMHO, if you have the weeks to spare in terms of grinding your levels back, restart the character. Otherwise, spend a few days voting and finding money because MP washing (albeit expensive) will be able to get you to 30k HP by the time you reach 15x - 16x (based on very "back of the envelope math" that I'm sure is wrong). You can find plenty of resources to help you calculate the exact numbers so this post is more to reassure you that this situation is very salvageable than to provide concrete advice. Just know that to fix this, the solution will be expensive (either in terms of time or money or both). Good luck!
     
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    Thank you for replying so quickly. Regarding what you said about MP washing which seems to be my only option. I read the guide that you linked me to and I'm a bit confused. As for I'm already 13X do I put AP into my MP when I level up. Or reset 100 of my AP from STR and replace them into MP, which will hinder my damage significantly, but achieve my goal of 30K HP in the long term.
     
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    No problem. I think you might have to reread the MP Washing guide and check out this HP washing guide to understand the fundamentals of washing but the gist of it is you have two options to MP Wash.

    Expensive but fast option: Reset a decent amount of AP from STR into INT. From now on, whenever you level up, you put your new AP into MP (strange I know but bear with me), then reset a point from MP into STR, and finally reset a point of MP into HP.

    Why would you put a point into MP just to take it out? BECAUSE the amount of MP added (assuming you have a high level of base INT) is always going to be higher than the amount of MP you subtract when you reset the MP into STR. This gap between MP added and MP subtracted is the extra MP you need to do more washes. This method is expensive because you have to reset STR into INT, MP into STR, MP into HP and at the end, reset all of your base INT to STR. So yeah, very, very expensive.

    Slow but steady option: For the next few levels, add your AP into INT. When you get to a base INT you are comfortable with, start MP washing. This method means you don't have to spend AP resets to reset STR into INT but also does require you level up frequently enough to be able to pull this off. You will also be weaker than your peers for the levels you put AP into INT instead of STR.

    Once again, I have no real calculation to prove that you need MP washing in order to achieve 30k HP but just based on pure experience, if you want 30k HP by around 16x, you will most likely have to MP wash or have godly INT gear.
     
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    Current spare MP: 208
    Required spare MP: 748
    Mana needed: 540
    100 INT = 12-14 MP/AP
    45 AP (9 Levels) = 540 MP

    748 = 187 Washes
    187 Washes = 9750 HP

    100 STR > INT ~ 850M
    9 Level Ups > 45 MP
    45 MP > STR ~ 382.5M
    187 MP > HP ~ 1.58B
    100 INT > STR ~ 850M
    Total 3.7B ~ 432 Resets

    Could you please see and tell me if the following is the correct way of Mana Washing into HP washing?
     
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    If you did put 45 AP into MP with 100 base int, you should get (13 (the average of 12-14MP) * 45) = 585 MP. Then when you reset the MP into STR, you'd lose -4 * 45 = -180 MP leaving you with 405 MP extra from your MP washing.

    Also you are forgetting to take into account the natural MP you get from levelling up as well as from your INT equips -- NOT base INT -- so all in all your numbers are slightly off but the fundamentals are all there.

    The numbers you listed out are mostly correct but also very expensive. I suggest doing a more conservative reset to maybe like 50 INT or 60 INT instead of 100 INT which will save you many, many resets and still have you reach 30k by the time you have to horntail in 15x. Also, invest in INT equips for regular HP washing because INT equips can always be resold so you technically don't just burn those away like you would with AP Resets. Reaching 30k HP before 155 (Horntail level) is not very necessary IMO (but I am a Paladin so take my words with a grain of salt) so you should balance the ratio between levels/money you wish to spend to reach 30k HP appropriately.

    Sounds like you understand what I'm saying now so I hope you're able to reach 30k!

    PS in case you didn't know: Both HP washing and MP washing truncates instead of rounding to the nearest ten. Meaning if you have 19 base INT, it will be treated the same as 10 base INT instead of 20 base INT.
     
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    Update: So, I bought several INT equips. I now have 51 INT

    So, uh more math.
    If I MP Wash,
    There are 17 levels from 133-150; 85 available AP
    With 50 INT, each AP is worth 4(base)+5
    85 AP = 765 MP
    After removing all AP from MP back to STR, it will leave me with 765-(4 x 85)=425
    From the leveling with INT gear from Level 133-150, I will gain 85 MP
    In addition to the 208 spare MP I already have, in total I will have 718 spare MP (179 Washes)
    At Level 150, I will have a 9,750 HP Base
    With 179 Washes (9,308 HP) my total HP will be 19,058 HP
    With HB, I will have 30K HP.

    Can you please look and see if my calculations are correct. Thanks in advance! :)
     

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