Have been playing only playing 2 mages (15x bishop and 17x fp mage), I am excited to start my project that I have been working on for months. I want to post this thread so that I can show others how I hp washed from very start and hear some suggestion/advice. I will be making 2 attacking classes, NL and MM (SE mule for now and will play for main later since I barely can afford NL for equips/ap resets). I am trying to save every 1mp so that I can go most affordable route to reach 30k hp until lv 200. My leveling progress will be slow since I am currently collecting AP reset and finishing buying NL's equips. I will be updating this thread whenever I make progress on my characters. I will be recording my overall progress (Int gear, Stats, Usage of AP Resets) in HP washing on both of my characters which will be very similar. Spoiler: MM Total used AP Resets so far: 16 Spoiler: 01/15/2018 (lv7~10) Starting from lv 7 self made because no one was selling int lv 10 below hat :/ also self made. Wearing this until lv20 maple shield. had int 12 or 13 slot 1 flag but I had boomed last year while I was semi-active... View attachment 56702 stat without mw made a mistake by not switching to this wand at lv8. Switched the weapon from the flag to this wand at lv 10 wore these at lv 10 switched from the lv 5 hat to this dana. stat after mw10 and archer job advancement Spoiler: 01/19/2018 (lv11~30) Got 2 full inventories of orbis etc (few more were in storage) Used about a little more than full inventories for lv 10~30 ( about 120sets) Rest was used for NL. Got mw20 from our alliance guildies. Shout out to Genesis Alliance wore this at lv 15 wore this at lv 20 switch from int 6 to int 12 shield switch from int 13 to int 18 All the AP from lv 11 to 30 were put to INT. 0 AP reset was used. stat with mw20 and before the 2nd job advancement Spoiler: lv 31~50 Addition to the last post: 5/10 with 60% scrolls :/ Wore at lv 10 Advanced to 2nd job by using these attack gears and few Heartstoppers Spoiler: attack gears All are self scrolled except the earrings. I am self leeching by using my lv 157 bishop instead of buying leech from low lv bishop because I had to make sure I wouldn't mess up my hp washing and switch int gears between nl and mm. I had to pause the leech right before the level up. I've made small exp difference between mm and nl so that I can hand the int gears from mm to nl after mm levels up. Leeched here for lv 30~43 wore this at lv 35 Leeched here for lv 43~47 Leeched here for lv 47~50 stat at lv 50 Spoiler: lv 51 ~ 70 @lv50, mm upgraded from int 10 fur to int 14 yac @lv50, mm upgraded from int 1 sock to int 3 yss @lv 50, mm upgraded from int 2 necklace to int 12 dep star @lv 50, I have decided to get zak helm but my mm hp was too low (min 3.2khp) After I have hp washed 15 times with ap resets. I've washed once more but forgot take ss. So total 16 ap resets for mm used so far. Spoiler: HP Gears With my hp gears, I had +1113 hp added to my clean hp. Got myself a int 15 clean zak helm and landed 6/10 with 60%'s Upgraded to int 27 zak helm from int 20 dana Leeched here at lv50~51 for 1 level. After new source, this place isn't good anymore. Don't Leech here ever. Leeched here lv 51~55 For lv 55~58, I Leeched GS5 map For lv 58~61, I Leeched at GS2 map For lv 61~70, I Leeched at Sage Cat map Addition to the 2nd job advancement equips, mm had 16 bwg, 11 sock, 14 pgc, dex 1 racc mask and this nishada for 3rd job advancement. I couldn't make good nishada from Sage Cat drop so I had to buy this Nishada. With maple pops and heartstoppers, I was able to 3rd job advance stat after the 3rd job advancement. Spoiler: 71~120 For lv 70~75, I Leeched at Sage Cat map For lv 75~85, I Leeched at SB map For lv 85~90, I Leeched at Ulu 1 map For lv 90~105, I Leeched at Ulu 2 map For lv 105~120, I Leeched at Petri map Stat after the 4th job advancement I have decided to settle at base int 380 for mp washing. I've been putting my all fresh ap into int ever since lv 1 (except dex 25 at lv 6~10 for 1st job advancement). Ever since the 380 base int was achieved, my MM has been saving his fresh ap points and his total int was at least 590 with mw20. When I was doing Frostprey quest and had to kill a Freezer, my MM didn't had heartstoppers and had base dex 25 and was taking forever to kill it. So I had to put 100 ap into dex. I am still deciding how I am gonna mp wash. But I did some calculation. I've assumed that my mm will be have total int 590 and base int 380 until lv 155: Spoiler: mp washing calculation for lv 120 mm LV 120 MM clean hp: 4234 clean mp: 6914 lv 200 - lv 120 = lv 80 80 * 18 = 1440 hp gain from lving til lv 200 30000 - 4234 - 1440 = 24326 hp needed from hp washing Excess mp needed for 24326 hp: 24326 / 18 = 1351.44444444 ~= 1351 1351 * 12 = 16212 excess mp needed total int 590 til lv 155 lv 155 - lv 120 = 35lv 35 * 60 = 2100 excess mp gained from lving lv120~155 min mp at lv 120: 14 * 120 + 148 = 1828 6914 - 1828 = 5086 excess mp currently 16212 - 2100 - 5086 = 9026 excess mp needed from mp washing 37 mp gained every ap for mp washing overall 9026 / 37 = 243.9459459459459 ~= 244 mp washes I am going to keep saving more fresh ap. At lv 135, I am going to get more accurate data and will decide how I am going to mp wash. Spoiler: NL Total used AP Resets so far: 1024 (rough estimate) Spoiler: 01/15/2018 (lv7~10) Starting from lv 7 with these gears: switched from the flag to this wand at lv 8 wore these at lv 10 switched from the lv 5 hat to this dana. stat with mw10 at lv 10 after the archer job advancement Spoiler: 01/19/2018 (lv11) I have been saving AP resets to follow Shiyui's advice: I've thought I needed 20 * 5 = 100 ap resets at least to be safe for lv 10~30. Leftover from MM after his lv11~30 was done. Tried to level up But ... I can't put use fresh AP on HP AP reset only lets me change INT HELP! Spoiler: lv 11~50 Forgot to add this to last post. I was only able to land 6/10 with cape int 60% :/ Wore this at lv 10. Continuing from last post: Once again, Shiyui helped me with my problem. And she was right. I was able to put my fresh ap to HP once my NL was lv 20. For lv 20~23, I had enough excess mp saved up for me to put all fresh ap to HP and trade excess mp to int After that I was able to wash only 2 or 3 fresh ap into HP because my excess mp ran out. But more total int I had, I was able to wash more. I was short on orbis exchange etc. So I had to buy about 10 more sets of teeth for lv 30. Then I've went to job advance with these attack gears: Spoiler: attack gear dana, robe, and claws are self scrolled but others are bought from others. I had red sock on my other mule but that mule was stuck for days until recent unexpected server down With help of these gears and few Heartstoppers, I was able advance to Assassin stat at lv 30 Self-leeched at these map: Leeched here for lv 30~43 wore this at lv 35 Leeched here for lv 43~47 Leeched here for lv 47~50 Stat at lv 50 Every lv, NL was hp washed when excess mp was available. Until lv 50, 99 fresh ap was put into HP. So 99 ap resets were used for the NL so far. Spoiler: lv 51 ~ 70 @lv50, nl upgraded from int 10 fur to int 14 yac @lv50, nl upgraded from int 1 sock to int 3 yss @lv 50, nl upgraded from int 2 necklace to int 12 dep star @lv50, NL looted int 14 clean and was able to landed 8/10 with 60% upgraded to int 30 helm from int 20 dana. Leeched here at lv50~51 for 1 level. After new source, this place isn't good anymore. Don't Leech here ever. Leeched here lv 51~55 For lv 55~58, I Leeched GS5 map For lv 58~61, I Leeched at GS2 map For lv 61~70, I Leeched at Sage Cat map Addition to the 2nd job advancement equips, mm had 16 bwg, 11 sock, 14 pgc, dex 1 racc mask and this skanda for 3rd job advancement. I've self-made this skanda from clean ones dropped from pixies and grizzle bears. With maple pops and heartstoppers, I was able to 3rd job advance easily. stat after the 3rd job advancement *Lost my file where I've counted number of ap resets used for my nl at lv 51~66. But I've been using 3~5 ap resets every lv. So I am gonna assumed that I used 4 ap resets every lv for those lv 4 * 15 = 60 ap resets used for lv 51 ~ 66. I have used 99 ap resets previously. @lv 67, used 4 @lv 68, used 5 @lv 69 and 70, used 8. and saved 2 ap for mp washing 17+60+99 = 176 ap resets used so far Spoiler: lv71~120 For lv 70~75, I Leeched at Sage Cat map For lv 75~85, I Leeched at SB map For lv 85~90, I Leeched at Ulu 1 map For lv 90~105, I Leeched at Ulu 2 map For lv 105~120, I Leeched at Petri map I have decided to stop base int at 340 for mp washing. Ever since 340 base int was achieved, my NL was saving his fresh AP. At lv 116, I had collected 232 Fresh AP. One of the guy I've met through smega told me that there is max number of fresh ap that you can hold. By calculating, I've knew that I haven't lost any of my fresh ap. Since I've knew that 25 more fresh ap will be gained until lv 120 4th job advancement. So I've decided to HP washing by using the 25 fresh AP's out 232. stat after 4th job advancement at lv 120 I had to decide how many mp washes I had to do so I calculated. Spoiler: lv120 nl mp wash calculation 120 NL clean hp: 8268 clean mp: 4636 lv200 - lv 120 = lv80 80 * 22 = 1760 hp gain from lving til lv 200 30000 - 8268 - 1760 = 19972 hp needed from hp washing Excess mp needed for 19972 hp: For lv 135~200. hp washing will be always done with Fresh AP: lv200 - lv135 = lv65 lv65 * 5ap/lv * 22hp/ap = 7150 hp gained from fresh ap hp washing for lv 135~200 and lv65 * 5ap/lv * 12mp/ap = 3900 excess mp will be used for ^ 19972 - 7150 = 12822 hp needed from repeated ap reset hp washing 12822 / 18 = 712.333333333 ~= 712 repeated ap reset hp washes 712 * 12 = 8544 excess mp needed ^ Total int 550 til lv 135 lv135 - lv120 = lv15 15 * 56 = 840 excess mp gained from lving lv120~135 min mp at lv 120: 148 * 120 + 148 = 1828 4636 - 1828 = 2808 current excess mp 2808 + 840 - 8544 - 3900 = -8796 8796 excess mp needed from mp washing 33 mp gain overall on every ap for mp washing 8796 / 33 = 266.5454545454545 ~= 266 mp washes Since I want more accurate data, I will be finishing mp washing at lv 135. Meanwhile, I shouldn't be going over holding ap number cap. For lv 120~lv135, I will be gaining another 75 ap. So I've mp washed 75 times at lv120. before any washing done. after putting 75 ap into mp after using 75 ap reset for -mp +luk Overall, I've gained 33 mp per ap exactly on average. Total AP resets on NL: 276 Spoiler: 121~135 Leeched at Petri for lv 121~135 Collected all 232 AP again at lv 135 Collected enough AP Resets for mp wash finishing From here, I have spent about 2 hours for clicking all these ap resets and some calculations I have calculated to decide how I am going to use these 232 ap: Spoiler: calculation for 232 ap lv 135 clean hp: 8585 lv 135 clean mp: 8153 current excess mp: (14*135) + 148 = 2038 min mp at lv 135 8153 - 2038 = 6115 excess mp natural lv up hp for lv 135~200: 200-135 = 65 lv up 65 * 22 = 1430 hp total gains ap hp washing for lv 135~200: 65 * 5 * 22 = 7150 hp total gains 65 * 5 * 12 = 3900 excess mp needed ^ 8585 + 1430 + 7150 = 17165 hp 30000 - 17165 = 12835 hp needs to be calculated with help of 6115 - 3900 = 2215 excess mp overflow assuming you have at least total int of 20 every lv up: zak helmet +15 dep star + 5 + nose + 5 + krex + 1 every lv you gain +3 excess mp: 3*65 = 195 excess mp total 2215 + 195 = 2410 total excess mp overflow at lv 135, currently holding 232 ap with base int 340, the nl benefits 33 excess mp from each ap mp washing case 1: assumming all 12835 hp is washed with repeat ap reset repeat ap reset hp washing gives average of 18hp gain each ap: 12835 / 18 = 713.0555555555556 ~= 713 ap resets used for repeated hp washing 713 * 12 = 8556 excess mp needed ^ 8556 - 2410 = 6146 excess mp needed from mp washing 6146 / 33 = 186.2424242424242 ~= 186 mp washes 232 - 186 = 46 ap wasted case 2: assumming 50 ap is used for ap hp washing 50 * 22 = 1100 hp gain 50 * 12 = 600 excess mp needed ^ 12835 - 1100 = 11735 hp needed from repeated ar hp washing 11735 / 18 = 651.9444444444444 ~= 652 ap resets used for repeated hp washing 652 * 12 = 7824 excess mp needed ^ 7824 + 600 - 2410 = 6014 excess mp needed from mp washing 6014 / 33 = 182.2424242424242 ~= 182 mp washes 232 - 182 - 50 = 0 ap wasted So 50 ap will be used for ap hp washing and rest 182 ap will be used for mp washing. I want to have barely any overflow of excess mp when I achieve 30k hp at lv200. after 50 ap hp washes after 50 ap hp wash: 9701 - 8585 = 1116 hp gain (expected hp gain: 1110) mp after 50 ap hp wash: 7553 after 182 ap put onto mp and resetting [minus mp to luk] 157 times Spoiler: checking calculation checked after 157 '-mp + luk/dex' resets current mp: 13853 25 '-12mp' to go expected mp after mp washing: 13853 - (25*12) = 13553 mp 13553 - 7553 = 6000 mp gains (expected mp gain: 6014) [Editing time 12/22/2018] Last 25 ap resets were to finish mp washing Forgot the take picture after completing all the resets at lv 135 But according to the calculation after 568 ap resets (50 fresh ap hp washing & 182 mp washing & 336 base int) are used at lv 135 finished lv 135 should be been: clean max hp = 9701 clean max mp = 13553 Total Ap Resets used by far: 276 + 568 = 844 Spoiler: lv 136 ~ 174 @ lv 174 *Only hp washed fresh ap for whole lv 1~174. Never used the repeated hp washing method. For some lv 136~174 lv up, I've forgot put 5 fresh ap to hp instead putted all into luk. To estimate how many ap resets I've used during lv 136~174 According to Spoiler: calculation lv 135 clean max hp = 9701 lv 135 clean max mp = 13553 lv 174 clean max hp = 15443 lv 174 clean max mp = 12208 lv up hp gain: (174-135) * 22 = 858 buffed 3rd and 4th job adv hp gain = 900 15443 - 858 - 900 = 13685 13685 - 9701 = 3984 3984 / 22 ~= 181 Ap Resets used (roughly) 181 / 5 ~= 36 lv up Which means out of 174 - 135 = 39 lv up, I've remembered 36 times to put all 5 ap into hp every lv. 36 * 5 = 180 Ap Resets were used for lv 136~174 Total Ap Resets used by far: 844 + 180 = 1024 = 2^10 nice bit number
That's all the under lv 10 int gears I was able to find. If anyone know there's another one. Let me know before I starting leeching them
Yep. That's why I have dex 10 at lv 7. I think I will be okay since lv 7 to 10 gives me another 15 stats. Thanks for the reply
Thieves gain 20-24 hp when using lvl ap and they also gain 20-24 hp per lvl as opposes to Bowman’s who gain 16-20 hp regardless of using AP Resets or lvl up ap
Thief and archer both gain 16-20 HP when using AP Reset AP to HP wash. However, thieves are the only class that save money if they HP wash with level up AP because the HP gain when using level up AP to HP wash is 20-24 HP. Not sure where you got the same HP gain per HP wash information, but I can see how people would draw that conclusion if they scrolled down to the columns in my spreadsheet I made. If you do end up using it, I wrote the formula at the end to assume that every level up AP not used for MP washing would be used for HP washing to optimize costs. However, for simplicity's sake, I did not factor in the following: If you really, really want to HP wash your NL as cheaply as possible, use your level up AP after getting the 25 dex requirement for the first job advancement and put it into HP. Calculate your washable MP per every level and put that many AP into HP and then immediately use AP Resets to take that point out of MP and put it into int. This process of adding base int is labor (and math) intensive, but you do save 0.22 AP Resets in the long run if you maximize the number of level up AP you use to HP wash, since you gain 4 HP that you don't have to later wash with AP Reset AP. And food for thought! I've made my own 30k HP capable NL, but I had the goal of washing to 30k HP at level 129, which was also when I reset base int. I had 451 base int total and MP washed from levels 48-129. I used the following int gear: Spoiler 15 int Green Bandana 21 int Raccoon Mask 18 int Crystal Leaf Earrings 5 int Silver Deputy Star 15 int Yellow Adventurer Cape 1 int Pumpkin Pie Ring 21 int Brown Work Gloves 12 int Heart Wand 13 int Maple Shield 28 int Yellow Snowshoes So hopefully that gives you some perspective of what to expect, but I'm sure you can do it way, way more efficiently than I did haha! I look forward to following this thread! Have fun AhLi!
Lved both characters to 10. Updated You are absolutely right. Thank you for correcting my mistake. I will edit. Good thing that I've made this thread. You guys are already helping me so much. This is very interesting method I never thought of. My initial plan was base on this method but at lv 200: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/how-to-mp-wash-double-wash.18158/#post-105003 Purely putting AP into int until I get optimal base int of 300~400. I will calculate for both method and see which one I like more.
I smell lots of effort here As one who haven't cared all that much about washing, I feel curious to ask... why would you want a Lv. 0 INT sword? Am I correct when I say one can only use it from Lv.7. And then we got the far easier-to-scroll wooden wand (Insane wand by the way....)
@Shiyui , I think I've figured it out why you said this. Rather than hp washing later with ap reset, I benefit 4 more hp when I hp wash with fresh ap. .22 = 4 / 18 (avg number hp gain for repeated ap reset hp wash) I was hardheaded not to hp wash before I meet my optimal excess mp. Thank you for letting me know this. And for my MM, this wouldn't apply since his hp gain would be same whether or not I use fresh ap. Thank god because I can't afford washing two characters atm. Now that I see this method seems more favorable, I have few questions on my mind. 1) I know min mp for before 2nd job thief is different from after 2nd job thief. Does this means that hp gain from fresh ap (20~24) is also different during lv 10~30? 2) What is the HP (avg) of lv 200 NL without any washing done? 3) What is natural HP gain from lv up for thief and archer?
1. HP gain from fresh AP is the same for levels 10-30! This is because HP gain and MP loss from HP washing doesn't change with job advancing. The minimum MP formula changes at level 30 because that's when people do second job. If you were a first job rogue at level 50, you'd still have the other minimum MP formula. 2. 5493 HP! Formula for natural HP for a thief: ((Job Advancement Number - 1) * 325) + (Level * 22) + 118.5 ((4 - 1) * 325) + (200 * 22) + 118.5 5493 rounded down!
Can you please tell me the formula for 2nd/3rd/4th job adv for bm formula of min mp? So i could calculate my resets right as well? Btw FPleech have a good luck
Of course!! Minimum MP formula for Bowmaster is the same at second, third, and fourth jobs! (14* Level) +148
I wanna ask My bm now lvl 56 with 3100 hp and 1200mp And i not get yet to min mp i can reset more like 30 times . Think i can get to 10k by lvl 135?
(14 * 56) + 148 = 932 1200 - 932 = 268 MP cost of each HP wash for BM is 12 MP. 268/12 = 22 rounded down. You can reset 22 more times. As for your second question, no idea LOL. Need to tell me your current base int and int gear.
Updated. For Past few days, I have been saving AP resets and Orbis etc. Also I was scrolling better int gears for earrings, robe, and shield. But my scrolling luck hasn't been too hot lately :/ To HP washing experts, I need help on my lv 11 thief !!! I want to put my fresh AP into HP. But as you can see, it won't let me Nor AP reset lets me Sorry just saw this. The reason that I had lv 0 weapon was just 1 lv up from lv 7 to lv 8. I know. It's just only 1 lv. But it let me gained 1mp. Every 1mp counts !
