How Hp/Mp washing is ruining the game imo.

disclaimer: I am calm, just trying to get my point across

Just remove it already before the server dies.. Even nexon removed it in reboot and was never apart of old "nostalgic" ms, How is this nostalgic at all? I never used to see NL's soloing the hardest bosses while having a conversation in chat. Thats some f**king news to me, you might as well take away the 8k daily nx cause it all goes to reset AP (if you want to build the best possible account) WHICH EVERYONE WANTS TO DO.. why the f**k wouldn't they? but no one wants to go through this rigourous mind f**king process. I'll let you know, the only people who think this is ok are elitist cucks who probably use their moms credit cards to buy meso after snorting coke lines off a hookers ass. Dont think meso buying is a problem? there are sellers and buyers who have never been caught for sure. Then they go and pay for a leech they are not even playing the goddamn game lmao and they come out on top in the end vs someone who plays to enjoy and respect the integrity of the game.
How many threads and posts must be made before someone does something?? You would have 3 times the amount players without it and the game would be so perfect. The community would be less toxic also because the normal players wouldn't feel like yet again they are under the people with loads of money at their disposal creating a gap (just how it is in real life). People come to escape it in game and no one wants to deal with this s**t here. And even though the vast majority put in more hours of harder work and try to enjoy the game to the fullest they come out with 20k less HP than some guy who bought 20B to wash? wtf lol what the hell is even going on? EVEN if they earned the meso honestly grinding, what would they normally do with the money (without washing being an option)? make another class and fund it and enjoy new class aspects that are supposed to be used to fight bosses normally as a group?? but there is no need anymore since you can just make a NL with the highest dps and 30k hp no need to even try another class. You are taking away from the game. You are doing a dis service the players and not to mention the integrity of the game, fix your shit for real tho im so f**king pissed of about this.. what a waste of time! I've always played NL and thats how i feel. I think a lot of other players feel the same.

 

Okay calm down. Now go git gud

 

Can you like...type your post in paragraphs or something? Hella hard to read an essay

 

Spoiler: shitpost not srs

I'm sorry it's affect not effect

 

We can't remove washing completely at this point since so many people have invested time/mesos into it. My suggestion is give everyone enough hp to tank ht and let the washed ones keep their extra hp. But I agree hp washing is stupid, tanking bosses is what warriors are designed to do, not bowmen and thieves lol. Also, people putting all their SP into int and leeching till lv 140 is in no way healthy for the game.

 

why so angry o.o
And if you remove washing entirely people will probably just make warriors or something,
and people will discriminate against new ranged players cause they got lower hp than the old ones.

 

Sadly is one of the things who should be changed at the start of the game, now its too late, ap resets is one of the main item of the economy, and many ppl used trillions of mesos in washing, hp wash is like petroleum in real life, is destroying us, but u cannot completely forbid it, cause it inmedistly destroy the world economy, delete hp washing is gonna destroy the server. I got many threads to do about some topics, but one of those are TAKING AWAY THINGS IS ALMOST NEVER THE BEST OPTION. is a fact the class who benefits the most now of hp washing is nls, they are supossed to be glass cannons, wich seems fair balanced with other chars, but with wash they become the no1 meta class of this game and by FAR, how to solve it? Seen a few post of gms and other ppl about how to nerf NLs, so, slowing down the game, and making feel the ppl who loves nls dissapointed, u know wahts the best solution? BUFFing the "unwashed" char(all warriors, shad and bucc. I know they wash too, but too little to even consider it washing) , make them more viable and desirable. And now the guy who spend 20b in his nl is gonna come and say: NOOOO ITS NOT FAIR, i spend lot of money in this char, those char should NOT be as powerful as nl because they are cheap to fund, and i would say 1st of all the difference shoulnt be so BIG considering u JUST spend 20b in wsdh to be 3 TIMES(at lesst) strobger than every other char(except of sair of course). And then u spend 30b extra just to change ur perf rc for a perf dps JUST FOR 4 EXTRA ATT, 1 person who spend over 30b for 4more att cant say washing is expensive. Dont get me wrong i think nl should still be the stronger class in the server, bu the difference shouldt be that big, as it is now, i truly believe that buffing the "non meta chars" woukd solve everything

 

This is nonsense. My best friend on gMS was 11 (may have been 12-13 by the time BB came around). You read that right. 11. He had a NL with base INT well before Big Bang and was capable of tanking Anego slaps (18k). HP washing isn’t nostalgic for casuals who didn’t achieve anything in the real game* is what you really mean. Those who took gMS seriously were washing. They were also leeching (PG leech at places like Anego was most common for us, no idea why it was removed on here). The misconception that HP washing wasn’t a thing only comes from people who simply weren’t doing it and weren’t involved with the crowd who was. Additionally, on gMS the majority of the player base was low leveled and engaging in causal gameplay. On Royals our entire server is catered toward the late/end game which is the level the majority of our player base is playing at. Royals = primarily high levels and high level content. On gMS being high level and high level content was utilized by a minority of the player base, so of course only a minority of all players were washing—they had no reason to, and no reason to even look into who was.

Another common misconception is that this version of the game was or is inclusive to all classes. We must also understand that not all bosses were designed to be able to be killed by all classes. Things like Shao, Bigfoot, Anego and Bodyguards are all great examples. Shao and BF designed for melee, BG/Grandpa and Anego designed for ranged. In order for ranged to participate in a boss designed for melee classses, they must wash to attain melee-like HP (completely reasonable). When it comes to bosses designed for all classes (Zak, Pap, Pianus, HT, CWK, etc.) they can all be survived without HP washing (just HB) at or near the level of the boss itself (so say Zak is a level 140 mob, at 14X all classes can survive Zak without washing and only utilizing HB). Any in between bosses or unoptimized characters (think: warriors who didn’t put points into their HP skill first) require such minimal washing that it isn’t significant enough to warrant any complaints. The extreme washing is needed only for bosses which weren’t designed for the classes that are washing to participate in them, and that is totally reasonable as they wouldn’t be able to participate at all had washing not been a thing.


Tl;dr: you are both wrong and lazy. “Elitist cucks” are the reason these servers survive in the first place. Casual squids aren’t the ones who are donating, voting daily and playing for hours each day over multiple consecutive years. They’re the ones who log in on weekends, play for ~10 hours each week and tend to stop playing when they get bored or when their “guildies” quit. Be glad people take this shit seriously otherwise we very likely wouldn’t be here with pre-BB private servers still available.

 

sadly, have to agree with this, would be better to have a large population whos plays cassualy, but this and many server survive just for having a small pop, who plays insanely.
btw u both? whos the 2nd person?

 

Yeah I see what you guys are saying you pretty much covered everything but it just feels like they are selling the game short... like really who actually wants to wash hp lol why cant it be earned atleast in another way like quests or something.. if what nosebleed said is true then they probably implemented it on purpose and made it seem like a bug so they could make a ton of money because before you could only buy ap resets with nexons currency you would have to be rich.. They took it out of MS like 3 years ago and called it a bug, think of all the money on real servers people lost

 

HP Washing Optional.

 

[laughs in ironman]



On a more serious note, washing and leeching is one of the many reasons that drove me away from playing normally, and if ironman wasn't a thing, i would've quitted months ago.
So yea, i used to argue over it, but now i couldn't care less, as you are not the first, or last thread to argue against washing. I don't see any drastic change in the horizon when it comes to washing.
Lets just hope hp items will keep popping up so that unwashed charas can actually dream of seeing HT one day without a tombstone attached to their feet.

 

HP/MP washing is not the problem. The problem is the damage of end-game bosses. Without washing, you can not survive.

Say we remove HP/MP washing, then everybody will play warriors.

 

Switching to INT gears at 99.9% leveling is quite a turn off.

I was still fine with HP washing until realizing its not even possible to reach 11500 for SE/NL (prepare for Pink Bean if it's out) without using MP washing, which needs to pump stats in freaking INT? Which in turn you must be leeched to level since its undesirable to train with this kind of stats.

My point is, HP/MP washing requires leeching which leads another controversial gameplay topic.

 

I seriously doubt that, it would have cost him 500$+ to do that according to this guide

https://ayumilovemaple.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/maplestory-ultimate-hp-washing-guide-complete-hp-wash-guide

 

I agree that HP washing is kind of ridiculous, but at the same time you can't remove it.

I did it in GMS with my DK & Bowmaster, and I saw the difference to the point where I questioned why I did it with my DK to begin with. My Bowmaster needed it more than ever, and it got super tedious later on.

Yes, HP washing is stupid, but you can't remove it when people already put time and money into it. It's also optional, too. I knew quite a few players back in the day who didn't do it (NLs, BMs, etc.) didn't HP wash, but were still bossing anyway (and were ironically better than the HP Washers, go figure).

Just food for thought.

 

You’re forgetting about the MTS (and yes, many people made “that much” NX through it—even more than you’d likely ever believe actually).

Also, $500 is dick all to invest in a game you’re serious about. Not to brag (this is not an accomplishment worth boasting about by any means) but myself and countless others spent thousands and thousands on NX back in the day. I was a teenager at the time too. I’m sure even casuals can come in saying they spent more than a measly $500 on NX for purely a cosmetic reason. Chasing hairstyles like darling diva or whatever EXP Hene hair girls used to obsess over lol.


This just further ties back to my point about casuals who weren’t living it being completely out of touch with how invested others were into the game (no offense intended).

 

Problem with hp washing
1. Hb becomes comparatively useless (hb was very very nostalgia remember? Hp washing is not at all)
2. Non hp washers are not wanted due to loot splitting
3. Imagine u have been training
a thieve till level 70+ only u realise u need to hp wash to boss
4. Vote abusers have the advantage to sell ap reset massively
5. Hp wash leads to leeching which is another huge problem
6. The ultimate goal of playing this server becomes creating a strong NL
7. Endless problem

Advantage of hp washing
1. Boss early

What?

 

Conclusion

Hp wash is damaging the nostalgia of the server.