Alright Royals, let's settle this once and for all. As you can see in a past thread below, I designed a pretty loaded question (mostly because I felt it was humourous, and because I think leeching ruins the server), and it still had a 30% rate in favour of sacking. Not quite a majority, but also not an insignificant amount of votes by any means: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/do-leechers-deserve-to-be-sacked.160120/ So in a follow up poll, I want to ask a more neutral question on the topic: Should random sacking be bannable? Example of a specific scenario: >Log on to Ulu 2 >Channel surf for players standing on top platform >Summon sacks on platforms with players >Log out, and repeat a day or so later. No targeting of specific. This is something that the GMs really need to clear up. If a player chooses to go AFK in a spot where they can get sacked, then they should be prepared to face the consequences (Are there even any major maps where roping is an option?) Furthermore, if using sacks in the manner described above is always prohibited, then why allow them to be used on maps with existing mobs at all? (i.e. Why aren't they only usable in towns, if that is the only place you can use them without a risk of a ban?)
Well clearly, because I was banned for it. I'm not going to even bother to appeal, because if that's the current rule, then so be it. The point of the topic is to stimulate discussion and draw out opinions on the issue. Is this something that needs to be changed? Should the conditions for what constitute a ban related to sacking be changed? Should sacks be disabled in training maps? etc. The current poll results make it clear that many people don't view this as bannable. It was a mechanism originally in the game for two major reasons: 1) Punish AFK players that would clog up servers, maps, leech, etc. Players should be held accountable for themselves and where they choose to go AFK, and for how long. 2) To cause light-hearted mischief. I hate to break it to those of you who can't relate, but some people do indeed get a major kick being a little trickster with some (ultimately minor) consequences for other people. Criticize the behaviour all you want, but that will never change how some people truly feel about it.
I don't understand why this is a discussion, again. It's really not that difficult to know when sacking is appropriate and when it isn't. Just don't be a dick and you'll be fine. Innocent trolling in towns, fine. You only lose 1% EXP upon dying anyway, as opposed to 10% outside of town, which is insignificant. Spamming so many sacks a town map will actually start lagging, or purposefully interrupting a leech service - dick move.
i think OP wants this to be a discussion because they like being a dick and think it shouldn't be against the rules to be a dick
I think, the criteria to decide whether something is ban-able or not is whether it distrupts the peace/friendly experience. If something offends someone it is not going to give them a pleasant experience, therefore bannable For example, calling someone the N word may be just a way you talk to your friends. if they are cool with it, then they wouldnt have reported you and you'll be fine. However if they are offended and reports you, off you go. Just like if you sack to kill the afk leechers, some might laugh it off and just get back that 10%. But some might get very offended for whatever losses you caused for them. There is no black and white rule of what is offensive or what is not, it really depends on what the majority thinks. In this particular scenario, you went to every channel, every map to kill the afkers. You got loads of mega complains, which is pretty obvious they aren't happy about it. they were clearly offended, but you continued anyway. Its like you are randomly calling someone the N word, they are offended, but you continued anyway.
Will you chop off your finger since it pressed the sac to kill someone and lead to your ban? It is the root cause tho. What makes you think sacking leechers = ban so you have to forbid sacking at those place? In your case stated, that's fall under harassment, nothing more.
Sacking can have other uses than grieving people; like messing around with your friends as mentioned in earlier responses to this post. Now, this poll DOES specify that we're discussing RANDOM sacking, and not sacking in general. So the main question is, should it a bannable offense when sacking others that you do not necessarily know, despite not specifically targeting any individual? I think the guideline that the staff follows is somewhat like a rule of "in the eyes of the beholder". How did the 'victim' take it? Were they slightly annoyed? Pissed? Did they think it was funny? I mean after all, random sacking usually involves a 'victim' that didn't really do anything to warrant it but being AFK or simply existing at a certain place at the wrong time. It's already obvious given from these discussions that everyone draws their line differently, creating varying perspectives on when sacking randoms becomes a "dick-move" or just "light-hearted mischief". I personally wouldn't want to get sacked at all or even have to worry about it happening to me for that matter, because it really can be discouraging when you lose a significant amount of death EXP especially at higher levels (a little less so if I have a charm but I'm not always strapped for the clap). While I do fully understand that random sacking can be seen as a harmless prank in the eyes of many players, they too should understand that not everyone will see it this way. This argument really doesn't have a black and white answer, but rather varies person to person. In conclusion, if you're randomly sacking players, you should be prepared to face whatever consequences follow from your actions. After all, "random" implies that you nor the 'victim' know anything about the other, and the sacker has no idea what kind of collateral impact (be it emotional, etc.) their actions will have on the receiving player. Don't expect everyone to be as tolerable as you or any other person because you really never know. Essentially, by sacking a random player, you have provided them an opportunity for retaliation whether that be via a report or seeking other methods of compensation. And just like how 'victims' have no choice in whether or not the sacker picks them, the sacker doesn't really have a choice either when it comes to how the affected party reacts. On a side note, I would also like to bring up that sacking players is (I think) the only PK (Player Killing) method in Maple. This game is obviously PVE with no real PVP aspects, but sacking people provides a way to kill other players without really getting your hands dirty, so to speak. From the staff's perspective, it's probably best to have relatively stricter regulations on this kind of thing to prevent, or at least mitigate chaotic gameplay.
