Community Blacklist

I just think it's a bit petty to get someone banned and put on a community hatelist for using summoning sacks on random people.

 

I'm not calling anyone petty, I just believe that the act of going out of your way to get someone banned and put on a public shame list is petty.
I find it ironic that someone who uses summoning sacks for their intended purpose on a nostalgic server gets put on a public forum list for people to harass, and is labelled as a "harasser".

 

i think if anything your latest responses have shown a total lack of remorse about what many in the community would deem as a blacklist worthy act and further solidifies the validity of your username being on the blacklist

 

I never made the claim that I have remorse for using summoning sacks, I used them because they were nostalgic for me, I do not feel deep regret or guilt for using an item for it's intended purpose.
My criticism is directed at how I'm being labelled as a "harasser", which implies that I subjected someone to aggressive pressure or intimidation, I did not target, pressure nor intimidate anyone.
If the goal here is to engage in libel by spreading disinformation as a means of intimidating me into being remorseful for my actions, I'm afraid I won't succumb to the pressure.
If you cared enough to read my ban appeal, you would know my motives for using summoning sacks in the first place.
To me it seems like the purpose of the community blacklist is for retribution and to start drama rather than for keeping the community safe.

 

Mate, youre on the blacklist regardless. What difference if youre labeled for harrasment or toxic disruptive behaviour? The blacklist is community driven and has nothing to do with your ban. Its use is to let community members be aware of you and your antics. You argue over semantics rather than understand and improve on why youre in here in the first place

 

Harassment means to irritate or torment persistently or to pressure or intimidate someone. General disruption which was what I was banned for means to cause a disturbance or problems which interrupt an event. There is quite a lot of difference.

Well if causing a disruption is already a bannable offense, why would it be necessary to spread disinformation about me here to "let community members be aware of my antics"? If the goal here is to expose people for their wrongdoings, would it not make sense to be truthful? Being called a clown In response to my concerns about being libelled incorrectly and having people make up preconceived notions about my actions without looking into what I actually did makes it seem like this community blacklist thread is more for drama and entertainment rather than for bettering the community.

 

you were being an asshole for sacking leechers, your name is on a blacklist so people know that is the kind of behaviour you engage in, end of story

if your goal is to get off this blacklist, you are accomplishing the exact opposite of that. the blacklist is for people in the community to know who to stay away from and that is exactly what i want to do after seeing your ban appeal and your replies here

you're really not helping your case here and making yourself look worse and worse

 

If you read my ban appeal you would know that my intention was not to "sack leechers" but to simply sack people that were afk in random maps just like people did in oldschool maple. Leechers are not a protected class simply because they engaged in a economic transaction.

I believe I made my goal quite clear already, I just don't want to be falsely accused of harassing someone when all I did was go around using summoning sacks on random afk people that were not map owners.

 

There's a difference between sacking someone who is afking and disrupting a service someone paid mesos for.
Someone getting killed while afking alone does not really disrupt anything. Killing someone getting leeched though while the mapowner (the leecher) is providing them a service their client(s) paid for is disruptive.

What's your reason for bringing this up again after two years anyway? If getting under a more correct category in the blacklist is what you're after, then by all means I can move you under toxicity instead I suppose if it matters to you.

 

If he read his own blacklist info he wouldve known that
But instead he keeps linking his ban appeal which honestly we all read, we just dont care for since its not relevant at this point. We all know WHY hes blacklisted.

 

You mean you know what the person claims to have happened.

How is trying to understand what actually happened from different sources "not relevant"? Doesn't seem apparent to me that people have read my appeal if they claim that I did what the person accused me of, since I did not "come to that person's petri map", nor was I "waiting to do it again" despite what the person claimed.

 

I can't really say I care anymore if I'm being honest, but he sacked my leechers and my hs mule.
The leechers were afk and I had no choice but to refund them fully the next day, apologize and accept that my time selling leech was wasted that day.
Definitely blacklist worthy IMO, but again, I can't say I care enough to participate in this discussion further.

 

Did you not sack people getting leeched? In your own ban appeal you claim to have done that. You hide behind it being the items intended use, as if that changes the fact that yes, your behaviour WAS disruptive, and cost people their meso and time.

 

Claims to have happened? You literally wrote in your own ban appeal that you sacked people. That, is a fact. The seller had to fully refund to the buyers because of your action. That, is a fact. Did you compensate either party? No, because you dont care about them. THAT is why youre on the blacklist. You wish to change the reason from harrasment to toxic behaviour? @Shiratsuyu said shed be happy to change it, but youre still gonna be on the blacklist for your antics. Again, youre getting caught on semantics rather than understamd that this behaviour is not accepted here and WILL get you shunned from the community, and potentially banned for it.

 

How is sacking a afk person getting leeched any different from sacking any random person that went afk? oldschool maple had people using summoning sacks in random maps all the time, and yes some people also leeched their friends but most of them knew to hang on to ropes in these dangerous high level maps if they were going to get other people to play the game for them. I've learned my lesson that this server is not quite like the old maplestory I know, instead of people learning from their and other's mistakes, or trying to settle a situation with the other party through discourse like adults typically do, it's settled by calling a game master to solve the situation for you, and getting the community to boycott the person you felt "wronged" you. A game is supposed to have challenges and is not meant to be taken so seriously. I do respect the rules that this server has in place and mentioned I would not engage in that behavior anymore after game masters mentioned this constituted "general disruption", but I personally believe this safe space mentality promotes toxicity within the community, something which is not as widespread in other servers. Having people say "cc or report" when you stumble upon their maps instead of saying hello, or players trying to get people they dislike banned through edging them on with insulting comments... I do not see how that is nostalgic.

 

Fact of the matter is, this isnt gms. This server has its own culture, its own tradition and its own rules, which help create a sustainable server. You want this to be old gms, but old gms died for multiple reasons, and honestly the updates and whaling of it were as culprits as the rwt being allowed and the toxic attitude which you seek to conduct.
You were explained already in this thread how afking while getting leeched is different than just afking, be it dangerous or safe map, you were explained that it hurts the buyers and sellers of said leech, so im not gonna get into it.

Part of the charm you had of gms also came from people not knowing the meta. You see it in every game. Thats part of the charm, just messing around doing whatever. But as games mature, people learn how to optimize their gameplay and be more efficient. Youre not interested in it, but the difference is you force your opinion and mannerism on the people. People dont go into your map and tell you to hop, you go into their map and try to split with them. And regarding that last point, its literally in the game rules to not farm in maps that dont belong to you. It being fine in gms does not make it fine here. You read the rules and accepted them when you made your acc, so im just going to ignore that last point as that one is straight up breaking the games rules and does indeed warrant a ban. You may want to settle it verbally with the map owners, bit youre not entitled to it. If i go into your house and help myself to your pantry, you can tell me to gtfo before you call the cops. I may want to talk it over but you can call the cops over it.