Community Blacklist

Should I report it

 

I understand how both party views and concerns.

I know most people would prefer to transfer gear via dropping at fm for convenience sake however i suggest probably enter a room like eg. Room 7 middle platform to practice cautious approach.

Technically the looter did not break the game rule and he has all the rights to keep the items, typical saying “finders keeper, loser weeper”.

Although like most general players POV in royals, it’s advisable to return the gear.

My personal view is simple, meso can be earn again despite i may or may not gain a friendship with the person that dropped the item though i am certain i definitely did make the person felt thankful/relieved and a wonderful day.

One more friend is better than one more enemy.

-food for thought, is it worth it to keep the items and get backlashes from the community? Well i don’t know…maybe you are capable to solo play in a MMORPG setting without the need from random pub.

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Edit. Just voicing out my opinion. If you wish to keep the item, i think it’s fine imo…it is your own moral compass to decide anyway.

On the other hand, who like to start to head start a funding campaign for our poor guy here that lost his gear? I don’t mind helping him out!

Edit no.2 bro..you started at july 2017, you really not gonna return a fellow player that i assume started last year nov? You gonna get frown upon by the majority.

 

This was you flexing your gear in the store and it getting bought off due to a misunderstanding of how tax works. let's not change the subject

 

While I understand where you come from, it's not deniable that there are similar factors from both incidents such as:
1. Players do make mistakes.
2. It's definitely avoidable.
3. Victims ask for the lost items back kindly.
4. The lost items mean a lot to the victims.
5. Buyers/pickers do not break any T&C.
Even though I do not care it as much as I did when the incident happened, I find it double standard if picking others stuff on the ground is blacklist worthy but buying cheap stuff isn't.

 

You're too kind sir, no need for all of that. At this point as weird as it sounds I kind of feel bad for the guy. My mistake led to this and since there aren't any rules saying he has to give it back, I don't expect it to come back haha, I'm over it

 

both parties have something at fault but dang, what a pleasant afk spot to coincidentally see one's attitude towards this situation!

 

Haha we practice gracious while forgive and forget.
I think the community can assist by providing you with some funds to cover bit of losses while he can get to keep the items.

Both party gets to have proper closure and solution.
Most importantly we should learn from the mistake, improve and avoid it in the future !

 

Rest assured there is no double standard from me. My personal view is that if you do something unwise, you bear the consequences.

With that said, What really troubles me in this whole situation is that there is little to no sense of accountability in all these replies. I personally do not condone drop trading whatsoever and as there is absolutely no reason to do so (God forbid a server crash mid drop rip your items). If I get my items yoinked that's on me. So when OP gets his items looted and everyone pressures the looter to return stuff, I just feel that is not how things work in the outside word.

Granted, this is supposed to be a safer space for people to enjoy and relax 2d mushroom game but I implore you guys to be please take ownership of your own actions.

Spoiler: My ultimatum for compromise?

neither party keep the items

My 2 cheap cents.

 

yes the correct answer is to send the items my way

 

If you drop something, you risk it being taken by others.
since you already admitted its your fault for being too trusting you should just move on.

you could have traded it to your own character but you decided to drop it for convenience sake. For that small amount of convenience, you lost your items. If that guy was your friend you could ask for it back nicely and if he was nice he could consider giving it back to you but even then he is not obliged to. I personally would loot everything my friend drops for fun but return it because i treasure friendship over pixels. But if it was a complete stranger I would loot it and not return.

I find it funny how the people in the community can have double standards for similar scenarios.

https://royals.ms/forum/threads/community-blacklist.166479/page-71#post-1208128

When people loot gacha scrolls which was meant to be transferred to another character no one frowned upon it but when its someone's cgs suddenly its blacklist worthy.

Its not like I care about what people on forums think about me but I am tired of hypocrites acting like they are always on a moral high ground. Sure some people play this game with honour, integrity, trust and loyalty. Some don't. Stop forcing your principles upon others especially if its your own fault.

I hope you learn a valuable lesson today and wish you all the best in grinding for your gears back.

To MeatMonster, I dont think you did anything wrong, and if that guy was a complete stranger you would under no obligation need to return his items. But if he was your friend and you took his items, I would advise keeping the friend rather than the gears. Just my opinion.

 

Actually if given the chance I will sack these people if the char is sackable (but rip galore prices now so I have to weigh if it's worth it). If they'd at least ask first that's a different story.

 

I completely stand with this. When notthor made the blacklist report, I refrained myself from commenting at the beginning to observe how the majority see this, but it isn't in the way I expected.
And I find it seems to become a trend that what matters being blacklisted is what defendant's attitude is instead of what they have done (don't break rules ofc) to be reported. And this looks odd from my view.

 

I feel like i should reiterate, this person is a total stranger. I've never seen them before, besides the apq run we apparently did before? They dropped their items in the free market entrance, in front of me and about 6 other people. Not room15,16, 20, etc. No, it was the entrance where everyone was. If they were a friend, or someone I was even acquaintances with in this game, of course i would give the items back. I don't know about you, but personally I don't trust strangers, especially with my belongings. And I apologize to anyone if i'm being brash or rude, i understand i can be a bit impudent. If the community wants to blacklist me, that is fine, I now know there is some unspoken rule about taking items off the ground in the free market; lesson learned. But please, before siccing your group of friends on me for the next 5+ hours and harassing me in game again, maybe take some responsibility for your own actions.

 

To address the hypocrisy point: As someone who has managed the blacklist for some time and has otherwise read every single post for many years now, I think there's just been a broader victim-centered attitude shift in the community. The blacklist--and by extension, the community--is not a stagnant monolith. New players come and go, new ideas come and go. And that results in change. Whether these changes are heading in the right direction is a fair conversation to have, but to dismiss these changes as a double standard seems unfairly dismissive. And as for the the reference to this case, I think there's a legitimate argument to be made that the community would view a player who admits their mistake and makes an honest effort to resolve the issue privately with much more sympathy than a player who doesn't recognize their mistake and immediately responds with "enjoy the blacklist."

 

Also for anyone reading this thread, who maybe taking sides on this situation, and read the comments about about the guild Ours. Please leave them out of this, they're a fantastic guild with incredible people in it, who had absolutely nothing to do with my actions. I honestly couldn't say enough about the people in it.

 

The outside world y’all facing is harsh LOL.

From what i can understand from here is that the item wasn’t intended for the looter to loot it.

When i saw a fellow drop his stuff like e.g wallet on the floor, my first instinct is to quickly sound out to him to pick it up.

This scenario is comparable to real world context like courier parcel delivery. You waiting for the parcel to be deliver over and normally the delivery guy would leave the package at the doorstep but someone just decided to take it before you can retrieve it.

It becomes a crime.

However at mapleroyals context, it’s really NOT wrong to loot the item on the ground as everyone should know the consequences of dropping items instead of trading, thus i concurred that should use trade for safe option than dropping.

I also think the looter can keep the item as it did not break the t&c of the game, but well…

It is honestly up to individual morality.

Edit: Not siding anyone, i should make my personal opinion clear is that not he is not wrong and no need to be in the blacklist as it make logical decisions and argument while on other hand to help the other party how to arrange for a better outcome such as funding campaign to achieve a peaceful and win win solution.

 

I think there's a big difference between accidentally dropping your wallet, and having someone steal it. As opposed to throwing your wallet into a strangers lap, and getting mad over them taking it. He chose to drop his items practically on top of me. There's a huge difference between the morality of someones lost wallet, and a person intentionally dropping their video game items on another player.

 

All very valid points. But I doubt there would be much of a paradigm shift in the community with regards to drop trading your own items in the time span of 1 year. (March 2022 - June 2023)

At least I still think its the player's own fault.

Who is going to compensate me for the time I spent trading my own storage/store mules 9 items at a time because I dont want to lose my items?

 

You’re totally right.
Although the wallet was just a little context reference only.

My point was that it wasn’t meant for you to loot it, but since he dropped it on you, i agreed too that you can get to keep the item because he wasn’t careful.

My direction is geared towards graciousness. That’s all.