Community Blacklist

Personally I think it can, and I feel like I've seen some more dramatic shifts in other areas. For example, I think a year ago, way more players would have been way more hostile towards a player who tried to report another player to the blacklist for persistently blocking them with a chair in FM. If I recall correctly, it was only a few years ago that a different player was absolutely eviscerated by the community for getting another player banned for the exact same thing. That being said, if you (or anyone else) believe that yoinking dropped items is not blacklistable behavior that's totally fair.

You're stretching the analogy too far the other way. He did not throw his wallet onto your lap. He threw his wallet into the air with the intention to catch it himself, you just walked over and caught it instead.

 

In most scenarios, dropping a wallet is an accident, but dropping a 2d game item isn't.

 

(no one knows this is new way for RWT)

 

okay guess im fked then. i loot everything people drop even def scrolls.

 

Unironically you make a good point

"Explain the origin of your 20wa FS and 23wa SCG"

"Somebody droptrade to their mule in FM and I sniped it, you can see this post on blacklist"

There is definitely potential for abuse here, hopefully staff can take note

 

Everyone have their own opinion and mindset. I can’t force my opinion on anyone and expect them to take it.

Personally i encountered a guy transferring scrolls near the fm entrance while i was passing by and i just loot it out of fun, he gave me the F5 emoji hahaha less than a sec i dropped it back to him because i knew he just wanted to transfer to his storage mule.

I really wanna emphasise this again that it’s honestly up to individual since he didn’t break the rule.

 

There's actually been a couple of ban appeals of players claiming that they "looted" their items in random locations from potion stores to deserted rooms in FM. But for what it's worth, I don't think I've ever seen staff really accept that argument (e.g., the Kerning Sewer Case).

 

True. That said I just read it and the GMs found the guy's excuse implausible because the dropper didn't try to get the item back. If the attempted RWT seller does in fact kick up some shit on forums, suddenly it becomes more 'legit'.

I don't think the large-scale RWT sellers will use this but I feel like players quitting the game and trying to cash out a bit might genuinely get away with using this as an excuse to RWT. For example a potential item laundering story is "I was droptrading my perfect weapon and 60 CGS to my mule but someone sniped it, I kicked up shit on blacklist then request 6 month self ban". I'm not a GM and don't know what info they have access to but I imagine this story would be very believable to me, which is concerning.

At any rate this is probably going off-topic, my stand is droptrade sniping is not blacklistable, it's a risk that was taken by the dropper for convenience's sake, and the looter is entitled to do whatever they want.

 

Don't worry I'm already planning on it

 

On a side note, go to gulag for maining akshan

 

Also fwiw, no one is claiming that the guy who dropped his shit is fully innocent, he did drop his items, and 3loko is fully in his right to keep them.

That being said, this thread is here to call out players "technically" not breaking the rules but still being a negative impact on the community. If they were breaking rules, a report + ban would be here instead.

And in regards to the gacha scrolls, isnt it common etiquette that if you drop stuff *at* the gacha place its because you dont want it? The location where ppl drop an item also has meaning you know.

 

Did any of you actually play maple back in the day? If you drop your stuff and it gets looted, sucks to be you. The wild west nature of old maple is a major reason why its so indelible in my mind, and why I try to recapture that by playing this server. Kicking/harassing/blacklisting someone for exercising their god given right to loot some goofball's stuff that he dropped is at its core an anti-maple view. Also, as an aside, no one really likes spaces that don't allow anything risky to happen. Risk is fun, fighting is fun, and trying to mold a community into something where no one's feelings can ever be hurt has never worked out for the best. A little bad blood is good, and people being injured for their mistakes is good. Leveraging the social machinery to essentially ruin someone's experience on the server is bad. Controversial takes to some types I'm sure, but trust me, I'm right.

 

No one said that hes right, however the server did build a community, something that straight up didnt exist in gms, and his actions made him be unwanted in this community.
Ofc hes still allowed to play, but people are equally valid saying they dont want to play with him, party with him, pq with him etc.

 

Treating others the same way as you want to be treated can go a long way, in real life and ingame. In this instance though, one shouldn’t take the risk to transfer their gear by dropping just because you personally wouldn’t ever loot from anyone doing the same thing, but since you can’t expect others to follow the same ideals as you, you can’t expect them to not loot from you. Personally I would never transfer my gear by dropping, and if I ever did and someone took them, I would not attempt to blacklist it, sure I would really dislike the other as a person, for the very reason I spoke about earlier, but ultimately I would blame myself, aswel.

edit. if someone is being capable doing something of such to a stranger, and not showing any guilt or remorse about it, hence knowing it had a clear negative impact on the person, is concerning forsure and is 100% a red flag if you’re friends with such a person.

 

Yep. Like the old MS, anyone is free to loot stuffs that a player drops openly and it is in their rights to pick up for keeping or drop it out again anytime.
Also, like the old MS, anyone is free to mark a player they deem as high risk and it is in their rights to shun a player with known particular history that does not sit well within their own community circle.

 

Exactly. No one argued that the guy who dropped his items isnt a dummy for doing so, or that the looter wasnt within his right to do so (otherwise we would be seeing this in the ban appeal section lol), but the community is also within their rights to shun him for doing so and blacklist him. Blacklisting isnt resulting in anything on the player's end, its more of a tool for the community to see if certain players have bad antics. Ie i wouldnt wanna go to ht/zak with a person whose on the blacklist, but that doesnt mean he cant do that content, he just needs to find people who are either unaware or indifferent to his antics.

 

Hahaha.. the one thing I never do is drop trade... we have a trade button so learn how to use it folks...

 

Yes I did, however we are not playing actual maple like it was back in the day. Most of us start here for a dose of nostalgia, but most of us stay for a sense of community that wasn't there in the old maple. A sense of community that is mostly build on trust. Trust that is needed for boss runs and whatever!

It might be to the original maple, but that is not were we are. Even though his actions were completely legal, he breaks the "trust" many players in this server show. People tend not to like this over here and are allowed to act upon. This whole thread doesn't exist to point out illegal stuff, this thread exists to warn people for players that show certain behaviour most people don't seem to like.

And "stealing" someone else's stuff to essentially ruin someone's experience on this server is not? (also have you played the original maple, it sure seemed to happen back in the days as well, perhaps to lesser effectiveness, but people sure tried)

Nah, nothing objective here, but you sure come off as an asshole.

 

Everyone is gonna react to differently to things depending on certain factors. Youre comparing similar situations but in this case the key difference is location and value. Looting some crappy defense scrolls with maybe a few valuable scrolls where the total loss doesnt exceed 100m is not on the same level as losing 3b+in attack items. Your example takes place near a gach where the overwhelming amount of times players are dropping worthless scrolls to make room, while the atk gear scenario is inside fm, where the attitude is very different. This is not how everyone feels but to many the fm is more of a comfy safe space to mingle amongst friends and guildies. Its why most everyone afks in the fm entrance with guildies and friends. People have a real attachment to fm entrance. Its why Royals changes the background during every event. While the rules dont change for either location, the social expectations behind each area does. If i dropped some vip rocks in henesys to an alt and someone looted them, id be mad at the player for looting, but more upset i was stupid enough to do it in the open like that and would move on. If i was hanging with my guildies in fm and dropped some tele rocks and some guy looted them, id be pissed cause im in what i perseive to be a safe zone amongst friends and guildies. I see it all the time people drop trading things to one another in fm. Its the general attitude a lot of players have when in the fm. Looting someone elses stuff in fm bothers players more, which is why people spoke out this time.

 

I don’t get this philosophical debate.
Pretty straightforward - the stealers aren’t going to give back stolen items nor will they be able to resist their need to steal when given the opportunity to. Neither you, nor me are going to convince them otherwise.
How do I know that?
Well, pure ethics. If they need someone to tell them that - it’s already lost.
Avoid drop trades whatsoever and keep posting their names here so we know who to avoid.
Items / mesos come and go -
reputation isn’t.

edit: @notthor I am deeply sorry, not for the stolen items but for that feeling of being tricked into something you could’ve prevented. It feels bad, I imagine, but keep in mind reputation is what’s gonna get you going in this game. That’s the only golden rule I know, the biggest tip I can give you. Trust me, you’ll get the mesos back and far beyond, just don’t let it get you that hard. We’re here to support you, i’m proud of you for being able to admit your mistake and face the consequences the way you do. That’s building your reputation, that’s the real mesos.