Community Blacklist

Idk man you need to re-read all that again, I'm seeing that you completely misunderstood Tim.
The original BL entry was created by a player - that already have their forum account, but they created a new one just to filed a report on Foxy. No one in this forum may have 2 separate account, that's a written rule.
There are cases that users got their forum accounts merged because staff discovered that they have different forum accounts - nothing related to GMs at all.
I hope you can get a correct view on this specific situation.

 

Ah yeah true, you're right. My bad.

Public question: Are we allowed to speak for someone else though? For example, if this anonymous person reaches out to me. Am I allowed to post it on his behalf? Couldn't find anything in the rules against that.

 

However in cases for player reports, many times us players do not have concrete evidence to get them banned.

Think of your average new skele leech buyer who got scammed. Most players do not have the concrete evidence of the entire trade transaction and recording of them logging off with their money so they post it on the blacklist for visibility.

As one of the people who claimed was affected, my sources have been sent to Tim but they are mostly word of mouth. I heard almost all of it went on through voice chatting. I myself didn’t even know I was perma banned, I didn’t tell a soul as my soul itself wasn’t even aware yet the status of my ban was aware to dozens of ingame players.

To me this topic is both a staff and a community issue, as the community was involved. And so be it, maybe it’s not feisty. But I’m sure as damn hell it was a staff member that leaked my ban status.

I’ve had multiple people inform me it was spoken about in their voice calls, and no it isn’t Geto. I don’t like Geto, we aren’t friends like that lol.

As a result, I likely don’t have enough evidence to get them removed off of staff, just like how billybob doesn’t have enough evidence to get xxskeleleecherxx banned for scamming. So why can’t players put their side of the story on the community blacklist and let shira decide.

Even if Matt/Tim believes us, it is unlikely in my opinion feisty is removed from staff. The amount of shit Pure/Saturn did until they finally removed him is much more than what Feisty may or may not have done. And Matt would be in a real difficult spot having to look for more unpaid qualified volunteers. He just went through the trouble after two of his long tenured staff members that rwted/duped and had to overhaul staff powers. I’m not saying Matt doesn’t take this issue seriously, but if I was him, even if I believe in the accusations, I would probably give Feisty a warning and move on with it because there’s already a severe lacking of manpower. So, I’m supposed to just here knowing I got 100% wronged?

Just like blacklist posts, if there is enough community and anecdotal evidence, why can’t we create a new blacklist community section as this is a new situation.

Staff Abuse

I full heartedly believe Shiratsuyu should consider making a new section for Staff Abuse.
This is a scenario where we don’t have (at least I don’t) enough evidence to get her banned/removed. In addition, she should stay on that list even if she is removed from staff. Personally I would put Pure/Saturn on the Staff Abuse community blacklist section if he still played/wasn’t banned already.

People who are eventually temp banned for scamming. They do not get removed from the community blacklist just because they serve their 7-14 day temporary ban. Feisty should stay and people should know she was blacklisted by the community for sharing sensitive staff information to players even if she returns to a normal player. Regardless if she is or isn’t removed by staff, as it has become a community issue for getting the community involved.

A different example:
If Becca was talking shit about me in the staff chat and laughing at my banned status with other staff members. A bit distasteful, but ultimately this is within the staff chat, and in my opinion, not a community issue. This is a scenario where it got leaked outward to the community, so it is both a staff and a community issue.

 

Ah yes ig that's fine because there were cases like that, as you mentioned (the RG Claymore case)

 

Motion to require this be quoted in every reply about this entire situation and add a confirmation that it was read before allowing the next reply.

To me this entire situation seems like a petty competition of pointing fingers with baseless accusations and speaking on conjecture over, and over. It's clear that there are some strong feelings in both directions and everyone wants to share their opinions about a situation that, from an outside perspective, they have limited information on, but I think without more concrete evidence this is quickly devolving into a popularity contest rather than a constructive conversation about whether someone should be blacklisted.

I think for the people commenting with limited information on the alleged allegations against Foxy they should wait for an official word from Staff because ultimately that's up to them whether you like it or not.

Regarding whether Geto should be blacklisted this doesn't seem like enough evidence to support that argument, in my opinion, and that is with taking out as much bias as possible (To be frank I don't really care for him either, but I also don't have enough interaction with him, by choice, to make a decision to completely speak out against him).

As for Geto getting kicked from a guild or alliance on the word of another member... This is a situation that should be resolved with the parties involved. Geto can defend himself and plead his own case to the guild he was kicked from. Why is this even in question? Are we now voting as a community every time anyone gets kicked from a guild or alliance. Lmao. Arguing that this is an abuse of her influence is hilarious at best.

Let's grow up a little here people and look at things objectively. There are appropriate channels for voicing opinions (with or without any evidence). I would also suggest taking out as much of your emotional response as possible because it only invalidates your arguments and the information you are presenting.

 

Can we address something that's equally concerning?

The fact that a guild as big and reputable as Ohms having a dedicated channel to talk shit about other royals players (GMs and players alike).



Or the fact that members in this guild (namely Geto & Terravore) are parroting misogynistic takes like "__ doing her best to disseminate the stereotype that women are incorrigible gossips kekw" and laughing in agreement about it. That in itself is disgusting.


It speaks volumes about the culture and tone that is set inside that guild. This isn't the first instance where members of this guild have targeted others and gone too far. Every issue that is brought up to their leadership is quickly dismissed. The guild cares more about pride and 'saving face' more than anything, even if/when their guild members have wronged the community.

I'll put my obvious bias out there: I dislike Geto. Not because of his obvious character assassination attempts @ Heidi/Feisty or his rat-like behavior when it comes to snooping for dirt in private dms and various guild discords, but because I genuinely believe he's a bad character.

And don't bother calling this harassment, because I'm speaking anecdotally through personal experience. Geto aggressively attacks people on this blacklist thread without remorse. When he receives any pushback, he goes into a "I'm coming from a higher/superior ground" and ends the discussion. He spams discord channel #selling to the point where mods had to implement a slowdown limit. He's constantly begging others for mesos and items when he's already received a fair share(understatement) of handouts from the community. Bro, you can't possibly be broke when you are geared up head to toe and always selling 2b+ value items. That's like me saying I'm broke and begging people for free gen30/mw20 books.

I have friends in Ohms guild that I enjoy playing with and I hope they won't take this personally. But the guild culture there needs to be questioned. They let their members run afoot with very little consequence or remorse for their actions. Racist comments, demanding players to be kicked from discords/VL runs, snooping in other guild discords and constant instigating drama/shit-stirring. I understand that a guild comprises of many individuals and singular bad apples don't make a whole, but these issues are constantly ignored and swept under the rug by their leadership. It's too much.

I don't have a foot in this race anymore as my real life priorities are in order at the moment, but this is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

For your awareness and cultural context, Ohms is a Southeast Asian guild, and "talk cock" is a colloquial phrase that translates essentially to "yapping". "Talk cock" does not mean a conversation exclusively dedicated to shit talking people. It's not "talking shit".

https://www.singlish.net/tcss-talk-cock-sing-song/

 

Hey, ohms member here
No, the chat isnt to talk trash on people or diss them, its for shitposting mostly. Personally i am using it to talk about league of legends pro scene.

Literally everone is talking whatever they like in this chat and it by no means reflect any official guild chat to disrespect other members of the community as you falsely accused us of or assumed.

I have nothing further to say on the situation since i am unrelated to anything that is being talked on this thread, nor would I like to put myslef in any sort of drama.

Happy mapling and weekend everyone.

 

it's not the title of the channel that's in question, it's the contents of that channel. And it's not certainly limited to Geto & Terravore alone as members in that channel seem to really enjoy the conversational topics (aka shit talking people).

EDIT: You can see a clear representation of the problems I mentioned in the post above mine. Basically: "Our member's actions do not reflect our guild but we will not condone or prevent said actions from happening in the future either".

 

You did assume that was the purpose of the chat from its name in your post, and you were wrong for it:

 

that channel literally has page on page of Geto and Terravore talking shit, so why would I be wrong? None of you bothered to squash their crappy behavior and at times encouraged it.

it’s a common theme at this point. Saving face takes priority over being good community members. Even now, you guys are trying to figure out who your “mole” is instead of addressing the issues at hand.

 

O_O You cropped the screenshot just to show the channel's name.

Anyway I'm not about to start defending a guild I have no relation to, and I just wanted to clarify any misconceptions people might have about what "talking cock" might be. It's not that deep.

 

I have nothing to be ashamed of ever writing and having a so called 'mole' in a discord dedicated to playing a mushroom game does not bother me personally. You trying to induce drama by spreading misinformation then trying to gaslight it was not what you meant literally in the following post does.

It really seems like you are trying to make a statement with 'Facts' about the guild's enviroment based off a few messages. You know nothing (mon snow).

And as I clealy written above, I am more mature than you and I wont write about things I dont know. It has nothing to do with avoiding the matter, my opinion just doesnt matter since I am a 3rd party bystander to the situation. The blacklist isnt targeted towards ohms as a whole but towards few specific members which dont reflect the opinion of most ohms members.