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    huh? You might want to clarify what you're asking then. My understanding was that you were asking whether or not the behavior reported by Foxy is blacklistable on this community blacklist, and I was just clarifying to you that the community blacklist is ran by community, not staff, and so this is not something the admins, staff, or Dave would be making a decision on, or even commenting on. Shria runs the community blacklist, and will make decisions, based on community input. This has how it has always been, staff have never made that decision on who should vs should not be added to the blacklist.

    If you actually meant something else (e.g. if it is bannable in game, or on the forum), then feel free to clarify what you meant, and I'll ping Tim or Matt to chime in for you (as they don't necessarily view this thread).

    Not trying to argue with you here, just trying to help :)
     
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    Unless I missed something, the only evidence I can see is Geto saying LMAO to a somewhat crude and misogynistic joke, which is... eh? I would look into the person that wrote the joke instead.
    The rest appears to be mostly finger pointing back and forth. A lot of things got deleted while I wasn't here it seems, so I don't know if I missed something else, but there's not much concrete evidence to go on right now I think.

    My opinion is, if we want to include discord and other platforms outside of game/forum, then we should, but only if it's used to encourage others to harass other users or break the game rules. Not saying that did or didn't happen here, just sharing my thoughts on reporting outside communications. A lot of us would probably be seen in a different light if our discord chats got exposed. I would probably be seen as a weird deviant >:D
     
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    Kay, I'll bite since Foxy's report links to my own post and I was also mentioned by Geto in the attached screenie.
    This is gonna be a pretty boring and neutral take aka "I'm not trying to make enemies or pick sides", but I'd like to go ahead and give my side of the story or whatever.

    On Geto:
    He was usually quite nice to me, but I also couldn't quite figure his character out. I did assume him to be a trustworthy player and perhaps believed him too easily?

    When Briefing was banned, he mentioned something about Foxy talking about the ban in Discord and I didn't question it.
    Instead, I responded with negativity, stating that staff shouldn't discuss player bans with normal players. (which I think most people would agree with)
    This and concerns about Brief's ban are why I made the post Foxy linked.

    Geto was actually very defensive of Foxy and it's one part of why he eventually left my guild. Because of that experience, I really don't think he was trying to be malicious towards her.
    What Foxy said about Geto screenshotting things I also believe due to some leaks but I don't care enough to look into it.

    I also agree with Bunny's comment on Geto laughing at the casual sexism in the server, but that's unrelated to this matter so I won't put anymore focus on it.
    Whether you like Geto or not, I'm not sure if he deserved to be confronted in a public area by a GM before being tossed out of his guilds.

    With that said, I've done the same shit before so can understand she was probably very frustrated with him.
    The wall between player and GM is tricky.

    On Foxy:
    I previously questioned Foxy's integrity, as you can see in the post she linked. And most of this was caused by people talking.
    But "talking" and actual evidence are two completely different things.

    It was both wrong and naive of me to blindly trust something a player told me and immediately assume Foxy wasn't a right fit for the role because of it.
    I also didn't know the full story on Briefing at the time either.

    Some people know that I used to be a GM on a different server. What they don't know is that I quit the role because of negative rumors, just like all of this. It was way too stressful.
    I'm not sure why I didn't think back to my experience when forming my opinions on Foxy, because I know how awful and stressful it can be.
    And that's exactly why the requirement for evidence is there.

    For what it's worth, I have apologized to Foxy in private about this matter and should be judging her character for myself - not from what others say or claim.

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    Unless either Foxy and Geto have some proper and clear evidence to backup their stories, then I think we're at a stalemate.
     
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    WTF are u talking about? I was always nice to you and while you were asking to join Ours in alliance chat a few days ago and sending me hearts you were simultaneously talking shit about me on Ohms discord. You are not the person to talk about fake people.
     
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    Are you referring to talking about your LHC thing "shit talking"?

    I was never fake. All of the things I said are based on actions and that alone.

    I can still be your friend and like you (well not now, but before) and dislike your action of the 2 lane LHC thing and share my opinion about it.

    Just like I was never fake to either Becky or Heidi, I told exactly what I think and if they ever asked about it, I'd say the same thing.

    I never disliked either, on the contrary, Becky was very important to me and I appreciated her a lot. We had many heart to heart conversations and I've considered her a close and trustworthy friend of mine.

    Does that mean I can't ever have an opinion on her actions as either a Guild Master or a Game Master?

    I find it so tiring talking about private chats that were supposed to stay private.

    You (not you specifically) guys are no saints and I guarantee some of you talked about people with other people in private, is it a big deal because it was said? Or is it a big deal because the person that got the private messages made it one?

    I think that every side has said their take on it.

    In my opinion, it should be just like in court - providing evidence that was received with no authorization to view them in the first place are inadmissible.
    This is the equivalent of going to X company and getting Y employee to give sensitive information, then use it in a case or planting a spy to collect information in a big high-tech company or anything like that.

    You want to hate me? Sure, it's ok. I'll take it.
    But blacklist me over this? Doubt that.

    I also did not encourage anybody to say X or Y, I shared my opinions about different things and I stand by them. I won't say my opinions are wrong because it got out to the public.

    That'll be my final take and final answer on this submission and follow-ups, and if you have additional info / slander / whatever you guys have in mind, I won't answer.

    I'm looking forward to moving on, not staying in place or walking backwards.

    Every person is entitled to their opinion so.. you do you.

    As a final statement - it was mentioned here that I laughed at a misogynistic joke because it was a misogynistic joke, so first of all I apologize if it looks like that.
    I've mentioned a couple of messages above the reason why i said "LMAO". it has nothing to do with the fact that becky is a female. take it with a grain of salt if you still tend to believe to what bunnymon said.
     
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    Yes you were. You never talked to me about it f2f. You just talked behind my back.
    But whatever. Sometimes it feels like Royals is filled with children in the body of adults
     
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    Can we get a confirmation from admins maybe @Bacon or some other gm on whether or not private discord chats are considered harrassment when the person discussed is not involved? Its a little concerning when a GM is boldly stating it is harrassment when i think most people would not consider private gossiping or even spreading false rumours (unless at an extremely large scale) as harrassment
     
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