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    Slurs, toxicity, stealing apples and griefing pq's > asked to address the bad behavior = they do more and its fine don't tell us how to run our guild... got it don't group with Ohms. (I know 0 people on either side but I didn't see anyone deny the behavior happened so I assume it did)
     
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    No, this thread is not exempt from the forum rules. Posts that violate the rules will continue to be deleted, including any quotes of such posts.

    Users are welcome to repost, but please ensure that the content is respectful and avoids excessive use of block capitals.
     
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    looks like this didnt age well
     
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    Alright, this has gone far enough.

    It's time to break my silence, as the lies are just too big at this point.

    I will not answer regarding Becky's (FeistyFox) disgraceful submission, she has her own demons, I do not need to expose this publicly. I do not care either - it showed me who are my true friends and who will blindly follow someone and throw others under the bus.

    But you adrian - you have gone too far.

    I don't mind taking all this heat on myself, hence the reason why I kept silent, I didn't want to get ANY of that onto Ohms which has not showed me nothing but kindness from the second I joined.

    But saying all that on the guild? Also having the nerve to say I support mysoginstic claims? You just cant teach common sense into a person.

    Let me correct you on that singular screenshot you got, adrian, I did not laugh because it was a joke about a woman.
    I laughed because of the publicity of that comment (shoutbox), and was laughing due to the Cynn ban appeal claiming fox has been talking about ban appeals in her discord.

    Oh I'm sorry, was laughing in my own discord that offensive to you? I apologize.

    You know, I didn't think you'll have the nerve showing up, especially after everything that happened with you and your 7 mules that you invited to Chaos, but even after you were unanimously kicked from the alliance (btw, your bestie becky that you spent daily hours in VC with? she voted that she is on board with kicking you from the alliance, let that sink it), you still have the nerve to spread lies, mess with our guild, and target me?
    I don't know about "disliking geto" cause you seemed really friendly with me whenever we encountered each other, but hey, if that was fake - thank you for letting me know!

    I think that's all that needed to be said.

    If you feel like i'm in the wrong - feel free to hate me.

    Thank you to all my friends from Ohms for the support, and thank you all my ex-friends from Ours to show your true opinion and true face. I'm so glad i shared my life with some of you, and that same people spat on my face.

    I will also not address the alleged griefing people have been talking about, that's absurd to me that someone claims I'm griefing but then again.. seeing who claimed it doesn't surprise me at all.
     
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    You've made this claim a lot of times about Foxy (and me). In the absence of evidence, this is unfair. You have been reminded several times now that if you have any concerns about us in our role as staff members (which, based on everything else you've said about us, sounds to be what your concerns are actually regarding), then you are to DM Matt and/or Tim with evidence to support your claims, or to make an abuse report if you'd like to share your concerns with us as well. Matt and Tim absolutely will take such complaints of staff abuse seriously.

    Simply stating repeatedly (both here and to your guildies) that you have stuff against us, but won't share it for reasons X, Y, Z, is a form of harassment. You will not suffer negative consequences as a player for making genuine staff abuse reports.
     
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    Hi, may i know why expressing that i dislike someone in private would be harrassment?
     
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    To be fair if he doesn't wanna address that then let him be, you don't have any authority to force him to speak up on that.

    I don't think so, no one has been harrassed here. If you're speaking as a GM, be professional & fair, don't throw wild accusation like that. you're not helping.
     
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    I'm not reporting her alleged staff abuse or anything like that.

    I mentioned that while treating her like a regular player, as she wanted to be addressed.

    Her own demons doesn't relate to "stuff" against you guys that should be reported.

    As mentioned, I will not address anything that becky said or mentioned in her submission, so please do not ask me about it.

    Also - this is not even close to harassment. whatever I said was told in my own guild private discord server, within my own guild private chats.

    With all due respect, do not assume anything that relates to any of my comments, as you're twisting it for no reason.

    Thank you :)
     
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    If I go to my guildies and say "Hi guys, Tect is a liar but I am too nice to expose him", then that would be me harassing you.

    To be clear, I don't think that about you at all. I've never had any problem with you.

    Yeah, I can't force to him. But I can tell him that he can't continue making these claims without backing them up, because that is harassment.

    That's all I will be saying about that.

    As a player: I just hope this whole thing doesn't go on too much longer, because it's really sad to see so many members of our mostly wonderful community fighting one another, all because of the words and actions of a very small number of individuals. I hope that those in Ohms who were uninvolved, and who are nothing but kind toward their fellow community members (i.e. the vast majority of you, some of whom have posted in this thread and are understandably very upset about this whole thing), are doing okay.
     
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    I've witnessed and experienced staff power abuse before, and I sincerely hope that Geto can share with us why what Foxy referred to as rumor are facts as in your response to Foxy (in the SS of the anonymous Blacklist report).

    At this point based on the posts of many users, I am 95% sure what the rumor/fact you (Geto and Foxy) refer to is about @Cynn 's accusation against Foxy.

    Here are the questions:
    1. Is (are) the anonymous user (and/or Geto) still reporting Foxy for the reason in the anonymous report?
    2. Does Geto have evidence to back his statement about that being facts?
    3. Is the rumor/fact about Cynn's accusation against Foxy?
    4. If 3 is yes, is Cynn's accusation true (that one of the staff leaked Cynn's perma-ban)? (Cynn knew he's banned for 14 days, but not perma. Could the staff check if he tried to log in during the 14 days? If he didn't, then there was a staff leaking the message.)
     
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    I will just say that I didn't talk about Cynn's ban, as I was surprised just like many people that he was banned.

    Also - I'm not the anonymous user who reported in here.

    I won't say more than that.
     
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    So indeed you don't have anything to back your statement?

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    Is someone able to chime in if talking in a private discord = blacklistable offence? Cause as far i as i can see, it has 0 impact in-game other than possible words that is not directly Infront/in the presence of said individual. @Shiratsuyu or Admins able to determine if its actually an offense? Kinda funny we putting non-maple comments inside. Like would be funny if everyone just starts putting their discourse over discord/social-media/reddit (iykyk) platforms in this
     
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    Just clarifying - this is the community blacklist, and so admins can't (and shouldn't!) chime in on what is vs isn't black listable. Hopefully Shira will share her thoughts on this soon though.
     
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    forgive my response but as you are part of the conversation, it might be unwise to comment on it as it directly relates to you. The reason i mentioned admins is because dave is on leave so they are the next best person to give their advice as a party not apart of the conversation
     
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    huh? You might want to clarify what you're asking then. My understanding was that you were asking whether or not the behavior reported by Foxy is blacklistable on this community blacklist, and I was just clarifying to you that the community blacklist is ran by community, not staff, and so this is not something the admins, staff, or Dave would be making a decision on, or even commenting on. Shria runs the community blacklist, and will make decisions, based on community input. This has how it has always been, staff have never made that decision on who should vs should not be added to the blacklist.

    If you actually meant something else (e.g. if it is bannable in game, or on the forum), then feel free to clarify what you meant, and I'll ping Tim or Matt to chime in for you (as they don't necessarily view this thread).

    Not trying to argue with you here, just trying to help :)
     
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    Unless I missed something, the only evidence I can see is Geto saying LMAO to a somewhat crude and misogynistic joke, which is... eh? I would look into the person that wrote the joke instead.
    The rest appears to be mostly finger pointing back and forth. A lot of things got deleted while I wasn't here it seems, so I don't know if I missed something else, but there's not much concrete evidence to go on right now I think.

    My opinion is, if we want to include discord and other platforms outside of game/forum, then we should, but only if it's used to encourage others to harass other users or break the game rules. Not saying that did or didn't happen here, just sharing my thoughts on reporting outside communications. A lot of us would probably be seen in a different light if our discord chats got exposed. I would probably be seen as a weird deviant >:D
     
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    Kay, I'll bite since Foxy's report links to my own post and I was also mentioned by Geto in the attached screenie.
    This is gonna be a pretty boring and neutral take aka "I'm not trying to make enemies or pick sides", but I'd like to go ahead and give my side of the story or whatever.

    On Geto:
    He was usually quite nice to me, but I also couldn't quite figure his character out. I did assume him to be a trustworthy player and perhaps believed him too easily?

    When Briefing was banned, he mentioned something about Foxy talking about the ban in Discord and I didn't question it.
    Instead, I responded with negativity, stating that staff shouldn't discuss player bans with normal players. (which I think most people would agree with)
    This and concerns about Brief's ban are why I made the post Foxy linked.

    Geto was actually very defensive of Foxy and it's one part of why he eventually left my guild. Because of that experience, I really don't think he was trying to be malicious towards her.
    What Foxy said about Geto screenshotting things I also believe due to some leaks but I don't care enough to look into it.

    I also agree with Bunny's comment on Geto laughing at the casual sexism in the server, but that's unrelated to this matter so I won't put anymore focus on it.
    Whether you like Geto or not, I'm not sure if he deserved to be confronted in a public area by a GM before being tossed out of his guilds.

    With that said, I've done the same shit before so can understand she was probably very frustrated with him.
    The wall between player and GM is tricky.

    On Foxy:
    I previously questioned Foxy's integrity, as you can see in the post she linked. And most of this was caused by people talking.
    But "talking" and actual evidence are two completely different things.

    It was both wrong and naive of me to blindly trust something a player told me and immediately assume Foxy wasn't a right fit for the role because of it.
    I also didn't know the full story on Briefing at the time either.

    Some people know that I used to be a GM on a different server. What they don't know is that I quit the role because of negative rumors, just like all of this. It was way too stressful.
    I'm not sure why I didn't think back to my experience when forming my opinions on Foxy, because I know how awful and stressful it can be.
    And that's exactly why the requirement for evidence is there.

    For what it's worth, I have apologized to Foxy in private about this matter and should be judging her character for myself - not from what others say or claim.

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    Unless either Foxy and Geto have some proper and clear evidence to backup their stories, then I think we're at a stalemate.
     
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