I understand why guild ownership transfers are currently not handled by staff, based on the points Dave mentioned: It is not possible to obtain confirmation from every guild member before selecting a new leader Staff should not decide on behalf of the guild when multiple members may request the Guild Master role However, situations like this (https://royals.ms/forum/threads/transfer-guild-leader.257056/#post-1613597) still result in active guilds disappearing entirely when a Guild Master is permanently banned. A possible solution: Only allow transfers if a Guild Master is permanently banned Require confirmation via the Guild Master’s forum account, linked to the same email address as the in-game account so staff can verify ownership This would remove the need for staff to choose between multiple candidates, while still allowing established guilds to continue. Right now, active communities are lost entirely, which feels like a bigger downside than the risks mentioned.
I'm sorry you lost your guild leader. I hope you're all okay. I do wonder if it would save a lot of guilds if GMs were forced to have a nomination of someone to automatically become guild leader upon being banned. Upon automatic assignment of the new GM, they could also have to appoint a nominated GM should they also become banned. Of course, two people who got banned together would still kill the guild, but at that point, they'd have already blown their second chance. I wonder if losing your guild leader role upon even a temporary ban could act as a deterrent for rule breaking in general.
That’s actually an interesting idea. The only downside I see is that it adds extra systems and still doesn’t help in existing cases like this one. A simpler approach would be a one-time transfer when a Guild Master is permanently banned, with clear confirmation via their forum account. That way it’s verifiable and doesn’t require ongoing systems or additional rules. The goal is mainly to preserve active guilds without adding unnecessary complexity.
Hi, Thank you for the suggestions. I would like to ask a few follow-up questions regarding the proposed solutions: 1) "Only allow transfers if a Guild Master is permanently banned" Suppose a Guild Master is permanently banned but never submits a Ban Appeal, resulting in the public not being aware of the ban. In such a case, would this simply be treated as a scenario where the Guild Master has quit the game instead of a permanent ban situation? 2) "Require confirmation via the Guild Master’s forum account" There are a few concerns regarding this approach: - Players are able to register forum accounts separately from their game accounts, so Staff are unable to reliably use email addresses alone to verify ownership or association. - Not all players have forum accounts linked to their in-game presence, which means there are still situations where ownership verification may not be possible. As such, there are still edge cases where verification and transfer decisions may become difficult to handle consistently.
for 1, if the guild leader didnt bother posting on forum that hes banned and wants to change the leadership (doesn't have to be in Ban Appeal) then you can treat it as he just "quit" the game. for 2, maybe let guild leaders to do a verify before hand (on a seperated forum thingy) and if they are perm banned for some reason, they will be able to change leader ship? but to be honest, it seems like its too much hassle to work with and verify when the leader aint giving a **** and getting perm banned. so idk if its worth it.
For a quick and simple solution a Guild Master transfer could only be allowed through a forum request submitted by the Guild Master when permanently banned. Responsibility for creating this request would lie with the Guild Master. If no request is made, then the guild simply cannot be transferred. At a later stage, it could also be possible to introduce a backup system where a Guild Master can assign a “backup” leader. If the Guild Master becomes inactive for a long period of time, quits the game, or gets permanently banned, ownership could then automatically transfer to that player. It should only be possible if the email address of the account containing the Guild Master character matches the email address of the forum account. Or Staff must have some other way to verify ownership of the forum account. If there is no forum account yet, one could simply be created using the same email address. Responsibility for this would lie with the Guild Master to make sure the guild can continue to exist.
