Info Changes to Glimmerman Crafting

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    But what for? They have no purpose and are worthless, so there is no reason for you to be saving them for anything, and if they were deleted you wouldn't be losing out on anything, right?
     
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    You never know when an item might become worth something. It was a planning for the future move just in case something, like this, made them worthwhile. But if they'll all be deleted people like me who try to plan for anything won't get anything for it.
     
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    That is correct, since it would be unfair to not take any action on items that were previously - quite literally - worthless and useless, that are suddenly likely to be worth millions of mesos.
     
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    I was gachaing at CBD two days ago and something weird happened. Out of 70 tickets, 3 instances went like this:

    Ticket was not spent, bottom right of screen says item is not available (or something like that).

    I would like to know if BVMs are currently disabled from gacha already (instead of in Oct as stated in announcement).
     
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    It is equally unfair to the people who plan precisely for something like this to get nothing for their efforts. I never said to not take any action, just have some sort of compensation.

    Imagine you saved up comic books all your life with the hope that they'd someday be worth something. One day you find out that they will be worth something very soon but you wont be able to get anything for them because the company is issuing a total recall and won't allow anyone other than themselves to sell the comic books. That's completely unfair to the people with the foresight and patience to collect the items in the first place.
     
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    Since those items came from gach refunding 850 NX for each of the items would be fair.
     
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    If this is related to the removal of certain gachapon items, I would like some clarity on the matter. I know one of my friends had this issue as well where it would give him a message saying the item was unavailable for pick up, yet his ticket was consumed.
     
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    I believe that only happens when you have a 1 of a kind item in your inventory and you get the same item from gachapon.
     
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    What sort of compensation would you suggest for a worthless item though? The only thing I can think of would be to replace them with another useless worthless item like... I don't know... Slime bubbles.

    Edit: Probably a bad example, since Slime Bubbles are actually used for quests, so not entirely worthless.

    The thing is, since they are currently literally worthless (0-100k?). If we were to announce that we are refunding for example 1m mesos, or 850NX, for each of the items we are deleting. This immediately gives makes them more valuable. People would be buying them just to be able to get the 1m profit or 850NX, which seems worse in my opinion.
     
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    It doesn't have to be announced before, just server check then now they are gone.

    I have like 3 of them so I don't really lose anything, I still feel awarding players for their foresight.
    Changes shouldn't be a player loss, if you have them good for you.
     
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    I will write in this thread when I find the time to do it. Right now I got other problems, but I will try to give my pow in time Matt.
     
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    Today, I did a 350-ish ticket gachapon run, and got atleast 15-25 messages saying "the item was unavailable for pick up" (confirming that i've been having the same problem as the users above), I weirdly also didn't get any sky skis or dkhanjar, however that could just be due to bad luck, but just something worth pointing out as ^^^ people have been discussing the issue in this thread. @Andreas - to my knowledge I didn't have any "one of a kind items" and this is the first time this has happened to me on a gachapon run. (probably wrong though, since i'm not a very active gachapon user, so let me know if i'm missing something).
     
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    Did you lose those tickets?
    Cause 40 times sounds a lot.
     
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    @Andreas I didn't directly count the amount of tickets lost, but it seemed like every one in twenty tickets contained the message? & yes i'm almost 100% sure I lost the tickets when the message appeared. Edited out forty, because it was probably more so around 15-25, but it was still quite regular. And I also don't remember seeing any item smegas appearing out of my whole run (which is a bit weird for 350ish tickets?), but maybe they weren't activated in my channel (maybe it's also worth mentioning I also don't remember gaining any items that were smega worthy - so might just be a coincidence).
     
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    Then there is a problem, you should never lose a ticket and if it was caused by a 1 of a kind item you don't lose the ticket.
     
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    If that was in CBD, it was likely those Singapore flags... I think?
     
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    The worth of the item is not the point, it's the anticipated future worth. You're completely missing the point, slime bubbles will never be worth much no matter what changes. Crafting items can if, as I had anticipated, recipes change and become more GMS like or broken items (Furies) get fixed. I saved up Taos specifically for when/if Taos got fixed and the people who did so we're compensated.

    Another real life example: when someone starts a company they usually have to borrow money for startup capital. The people giving them the money know the company is worth very little at that time, but they anticipate the company will do well enough to gain future profits. I invested in Stone Tiger Head LLC and it will be worth something very soon; but, as it stands now, I, and others who invested, will get nothing for it.

    I'm not asking for much, just something so it wasn't a complete waste. I think 850 NX is way to much. But this is essentially the same situation as Taos and should be treated as such. Especially since Taos were easier to store and seemed to drop more often.
     
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    This is what should happen, no ticket lost, that error with losing tickets is something I have never heard before.
     
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    You are right as to that it's the same situation as Taos, but taos were being bought and sold for 1m-1.5m on average because of the anticipation, moreso because we announced months ago that Balanced Furies will be coming out. The items we are talking about here are typhon crests(?) which are bought and sold for how much?
     
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    I honestly have no idea anymore. They were never as much as Taos though, maybe 500k ish.
     

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