Community Blacklist

I think crux of it, is that feisty is obviously an influential figure that can convince people to kick from guilds without proper evidence and tribunal (as shown by your takes here, favouring one side despite not hearing arguments from both sides). If you want to set that precedent thats fine, but i would would assume some people are not okay with gm interns being unchallengeable. Feisty might be 100% in the right here but geto should have the chance to defend himself before being kicked from his guild

note: ive never had a real conversation with geto and come from a guild where geto either left or was removed so no bias here

 

Regardless of any of this the community blacklist thread should not be utilized for an issue that does not involve the community. This is an issue between two members of a guild and alliance. Any dissention between the parties involved should be taken up directly with those involved. Posting out of context screenshots anonymously about an issue that is not publicly known, again this happened in a guild and alliance, is just an incorrect use of this thread.
Correct me if I am wrong here.

It seems to me there may be dissatisfaction about a specific member of the community and people seem to have strong opinions about this, but if you want the community to value your input perhaps the right thread with a valid argument supported by evidence would be advisable.

 

Saying “Can you please kick” is demanding now? There’s literally 0 gm abuse in this situation

 

This issue more community involved than people stealing appos, picking up dropped items, withholding splits, scamming leech wdym? 90% of the posts here are between 1-3 individuals (note im not saying that these posts are invalid, just that theyre all valid. If someone is accusing of harrassment (whether justly or injustly), that seems to be a valid post to me)

If you read my post carefully, im not accusing feisty of doing anything wrong so i dont need evidence, im just saying i think its fair to allow someone to defend themselves before requesting a kick from their guild

 

I disagree. A member of the community willing to withhold splits or take items from others is evidence of a person willing to unfairly treat others and it could be argued that that person may be willing to do the same again. In many of those posts the argument to blacklist is supported by actual evidence and people willing to validate that evidence.

The post in question didn't seem to amount to anything other than finger pointing. I saw no conclusive evidence of harassment (in either direction). People seem to be making a habit of speaking on conjectures here instead of providing evidence to their claims.

It's fine to think someone should be able to defend themselves after being kicked, but why would that make it valid to post it here? An isolated event, between guild members, with no real evidence about how this could negatively impact the community does nothing to support either argument being made in your post.

 

I go play a different game for a while and come back to an argument I can't follow cause the original report was apparently deleted for being anonymous
If this is a case of simple finger pointing back and forth, then staph it. If there are clear evidence of wrong doing the community should be aware of, can the reporter post it again, but on their actual account?
I missed the original report so I have no idea

 

Yeah and its fine if we fundamentally disagree because you dont think anyone was being treated unfairly in those screenshots. From my perspective, there is an influential and staff player who has more sway and so asking for someone to be removed from another guild without tribunal is within their right but also unfair and could happen to others who happen to disagree with Feisty (the community aspect). I agree theres context missing so no judgements can be made, but it is undeniable that foxy (rightly or wrongly) asked to remove geto from the other guild.

Again, to be clear, foxy could be 100% justified and maybe there was already an internal tribunal but no one has mentioned it so im assuming it didnt happen. At the end of the day, seems like we disagree fundamentally on what is unfair/affects the community so ill settle for an agree to disgree

 

Well, yeah, the staff is not above the law/rules. But looking at this report you can pretty much see that some people listens to GMs/Intern and do what they say, without barely questioning it. Even if that's not written abuse (afaik) in any way, it's indeed problematic. I do understand that there might be more background to this story so I'm not going to comment on more on that. Just wanted to highlight that.

 

I don't know any of Geto or Foxy personally.

Spoiler: tho

My attitude towards Geto is slightly negative based on some of his interactions on forum.
I gained 4 ws from Foxy's tag on a GM event chair I won. So slight positive towards Foxy I guess. (Someone traded me 4 ws and the same untagged chair for the tagged chair.)

A lot of people would be happy if @Geto make the report here, even if it won't be considered by the host because the SS provider prefers to be anonymous and will crop the SS's. But everyone here has a scale in our mind. Also because there is no better place to go as the Report Abuse is invisible to the players.

I feel like what Geto and Foxy disputed about was related to something a Ban Appeal thread claims. Although it* might not be blacklisted-worthy, this is definitely relevant to the community.
it*:asking ppl to kick Geto from alliance/guild

 

Well I'm sorry, I'm broke myself, I can't provide you chairs/white scrolls ;-;

 

@Foxy this you?

 

@Geto this you?

 

Just adding because I'm a bit hurt - Geto talked shit about me behind my back continuously while I was always nice to him and considered him a friend. I shouldn't be surprised with his forum behavior but I was, so ye. Be careful who you choose to befriend I guess.

 

how can gm or any staff member keep he's chars and guild+alliance once becoming staff is really beyond me.
doesnt make sense...
it can easily lead to rule breaking and other shananigans to say the least...
especially after so many gm's breaking the rules lately and in general.
why take the risk of lettin ppl with alot of power play favorites...
and im sayin this without relation to the drama, power "corrupts" anywhere u look and usually in everyway aswell.
we had gm's leakin gm's rwt, gm's abuse ban and forum ban's (in the past present and im pretty sure now that in the ffuture too).
u wanna have a fun server try holding everyone to a certain standard..


i dont care for the drama in anyway but i cant be the only one who see's this...
if i win the lottery u can be damn sure ill buy my friends some stuff, isnt it the same thing?

 

GM can also be player, nothing wrong about that, GM is not subject to any benefit from the server with their role/ normal character.
You might wanna check this^ out, they've changed GM privilege sometime ago.