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  1. bloodsicle
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    Im just curious at this point, whats your end goal? Getting removed from the black list or changing your blacklist from harrasment to disruptive behaviour and toxicity? And why now after 2 years?
     
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    I explained already how it's different.
    People being afk - you're not disrupting anything by sacking them.

    Killing leecher mules and clients - you are disrupting an ongoing transaction.

    This list is not made to boycott anyone, it's just here to warn others of toxic users.
    You mention settling things with the other party instead of calling for GM's to deal with the situation for you, but I see no such thing in your own screenshots in your ban appeal where Donn1e tried to talk to you multiple times, even going so far as to ask if you can talk at all, but you made no attempts to talk things through. Only now, two years later for some reason are you trying to have a conversation about the incident for reasons I'm still not completely sure about.
     
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    Honestly getting the vibe hes a poe, has to be.
     
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    Well by definition that is a boycott.
    You are technically disrupting someone's gameplay if you sack them and cause them to lose exp, same goes for defaming someone. "Disruption" is a vague term.

    If you consider calling me an idiot, a "fucking dick" and saying that they will "community blacklist my ass" a means of talking to me, I guess they did, although I wouldn't consider that to be a means of settling a situation through discourse.
     
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    I'd be forcing my opinion and mannerisms on other people If I were to continue to engage in this behavior. I did not continue sacking people outside of towns after I was told I couldn't by game masters. I never farmed maps that did not belong to me, and I'm aware that this server is not exactly like oldschool gms. I'm just criticizing how I was labelled as a harasser when I was just trying to relive nostalgic memories and abide by the rules.
     
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    No, we are not boycotting you, we are simply making other people aware of toxic actions. I didn't even remember anything about this until you brought light to it yourself. We are still not boycotting you, you are still welcome to play the game and interact with the community.

    No, killing someone who is not currently playing the game is not disruptive unlike killing people getting leeched/leeching. You would actually be boycotted if that was the case for providing evidence of killing many players before this incident.

    It seems like Donn1e tried to get contact with you first before calling you an idiot. Not that it matters, you caused that reaction to begin with. It's up to you at that point to try to explain yourself to them.
     
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    Thanks for the reply

    Sorry to tag you out of nowhere, just wanted you to be aware of what's going on

    Your sharing of what happened later on (refunds) also helps us to understand the extent of damage done
     
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    This is really disgusting, you are trying to misguide the community by attempting to claim the person who blacklisted you gave us wrong info despite the screenshot provided showing clearly what you have done at the time

    You did not reflect on what has happened or why you are on the blacklist

    You made 0 efforts in your explanation/justification
    (not expecting any apology based on your replies so far, I am not that naive)

    It doesn't sound like you really care about what others think of you, so why are you trying to "appeal" for this blacklist?

    There are so many questionable things in your replies that I can type out an entire passage of 500 words at least but if you yourself don't care, I don't think I should bother to point out the problematic replies
     
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    I was not waiting to do it again, as you would know if you read what I said on my ban appeal, I kept track of who I sacked so I would not sack them again. I went afk after sacking that person which might be the reason why they thought that I was waiting to do it again. I'm sorry if I did not phrase what I meant properly, I meant that I did not specifically go to their map, as in I didn't /find them and intend on sacking them specifically, I was just sacking afk people at random maps, henesys, kerning, skelegon, petri etc.
    If I did not care what others thought of me I would not have pointed out that I was incorrectly labelled as a "harasser"
    I believe I made an attempt to justify my actions in my previous replies, not sure if you read them.
    I'm all ears and open to criticism if you have the time.
     
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    So you can type out an entire passage of 500 words, you're just unwilling to do so. If you are going to call my actions disguisting at least elaborate on why you think that.
     
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    I would strongly recommend you to review the conversation this far and try to understand why are others (not just me) questioning your posts

    And yes, I can type out 500 words (based on whatever was written so far)
     
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    Dave, im 100% at this point that he's a poe. No one can be this out of touch from reality. Just have @Shiratsuyu change his blacklist title to toxic, disruptive behaviour as she suggested and everyone can let this topic go imo
     
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    I'd appreciate that. I know this is a blacklist thread but I ask that we avoid name-calling and keep this discussion civil if possible. Thanks.
     
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    Good guy bad guy making sure to remind us all that he sucks :xD:
     
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    I also don't wanna rant in here too long as this is becoming a discussion on whether sacking should be allowed
    (already 1 full page and we are nowhere near agreement)

    Should the adjustment of the blacklist category fulfil halfwaysleet wishes, we should proceed with it
     
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    Not like it makes any difference for literally anyone in the community :sammymug:
     
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    I would genuinely appreciate it if you could point out the problematic replies, it does not have to be 500 words, I won't doubt that you can do it. I want you to elaborate on what you deem to be "really disgusting" and "questionable" in my replies.
    What I believe to be questionable is keeping my name under "harassment" when it has been demonstrated that I did not harass anyone.
     
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    As it's difficult to address all of the problematic parts within a few sentences, I will address the quote which I have responded with "This is really disgusting"

    You were being reported on the blacklist for sacking petri leech buyers who were afking
    This is a description of what you have done at the time - the act of you summoning mobs to sabotage afk-ing players

    We fully understand it was your choice, that you decided to sabotage the afk-ing players at the time, no one is arguing about that

    But your response is to shift the topic of why you have been blacklisted (killing afk players) to whether the community knows if the reporter is speaking the truth about "this guy came to my petri map" and "camping my map to wait to sack again"

    "this guy came to my petri map" - you were there (as per the screenshot)
    "camping my map to wait to sack again" - you were sitting in the map, the reporter has reasonable grounds to believe you may do it again based on your sacking but this isn't the most important part - not the reason why you are blacklisted

    You are blacklisted cause you have sack-ed the afk-ing players at the reporter's map, simple as that
    Linking your Ban Appeal does not help to prove the reporter was providing any misleading information to the community, nor justify your actions at the time

    Note: It's up to you should you still wish to sack other players, no one can force you to do this or do that, but you have to be responsible for your own choices and actions
     
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    I was not "shifting the topic", I was replying to bloodsicles comment saying that If I read my own blacklist info I would have known what I was banned for:
    I replied to him mentioning what I believed to be some of the inaccuracies of what the reporter stated about my actions.
    I was in this person's map while they were map owner, although I was not targeting this individual which is what I believe the comment implied when taking context into account.
    The reporter stated "He's clearly not afk and just waiting to do it again because he moves around and doesnt answer to me.";
    I hung on a rope for a few seconds, then I sat down on a chair and went afk for a few minutes. You could argue that the reporter had reasonable grounds to believe I was afk and willing to sack them again, but they claimed I clearly was not afk and that I was moving around, which was not the case as can be evidenced in the screenshots I provided in my ban appeal since I did not say anything in chat nor reacted to the person dropping my fame and telling me to smile for the community blacklist. I faintly remember I had to answer the door or something, at the time I believed that sacking someone once so long as you were not targeting anyone was not a breach of the tos.
    It does provide another perspective into the matter; the screenshots I posted there, the comments I made and the comments the admin made is evidence that I did not harass anyone. If you want to continue using this thread to boycott players you deem to be toxic for entertainment, feel free to do so, but I ask that you avoid spreading disinformation about my actions.
     
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    You can forward your concerns about the disinformation to the thread owner (Shirayuki) if there's any, regardless of the category or the description of your action at the time
     
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