Concerns on certain drops from CWKPQ (Changes to thread and poll)

If the drops from cwkpq are frequent enough, they'll eventually cause the value of those items to drop. The market will recalibrate itself over time with supply and demand.

In any case, the drop rate from cwkpq isn't awesome at all, I did 5 active player (6bonus boxes each time) cwkpq for 2 weeks and got 1 spectrum goggles, 0bfc, ~4 Taos, crimson heart cape. Drop rate actually feels as bad as horntail?

While you might argue that you have to burn apples at horntail, horntail gives very good exp while cwkpq is pretty shit. Not to mention that htp is always better than MoN when on apple for most classes (excluding drk, claymore heroes). That's the balance.

If you are unhappy with horntail, rationally, you should stop doing horntail altogether and do cwkpq exclusively. Wait till the market calibrates itself to favour horntail (low supply of HT books = expensive books) or for cwkpq to become less profitable (high supply).

In any case, my opinion is probably invalid and cwkpq will probably be nerfed, just like how archmages, and shaolin were nerfed.

Out of context: I don't understand why the staff from royals would come in to balance this while ignoring the lack of class balance. NLs are so unbalanced it's not even funny. Alchemist and high dps? Lol. Bucc is good utility so they shouldn't have high dps! That's why I own a si mule. That's all buccs are good for.

 

On the first day of CWKPQs release, one BFC dropped in both PQs. Matt was present at the time, and I remember asking him if this drop rate was as intended. I asked because I had not expected to see any of these capes at all for a long time. He replied that it was as intended.
I also think it's sad that people choose bonus over . It's probably not designed to be either or, but currently, it's almost a penalty to anyone who runs with more than 5 people. However I don't think buffing the is a good idea either...

Sadly many Royallers focus too much on and has a single-player game style

 

In my opinion:

-Blizzard 30 drop rate should be extremely low, noticeably lower than HT and viewed as a lucky drop (Btw HT still has alternative drops that are still exclusive to it. So I do not see much of a $ nerf)

I believe the intention of having an ATK cape and Dex (& Str) eyes in CWKPQ rewards was due to the sole fact that the alternatives were only accessible from Gachapon (PGC, PAC and rac masks). In a nostalgic view, Gachapon was purely optional too many in GMS since IRL currency was mainly required to purchase tickets. Thus, Royals added these into PQ rewards as an alternative.

-Dex eyes are non existent clean (i think), aside from LPQ broken glasses, ACC rac masks and maybe past events (just started this year). Considering how hard it is to make a good dex rac mask (10% pass then chaos), spectrum goggles are justified. I have yet to see a perfect Spectrum goggles, but still, it is comparably the same difficulty to get a high dex eye if you choose goggles or rac mask.
-ATK cape prices were only high because of the sheer lack of options. Taru capes are limited to warriors and required 85 Dex. PACs were rarer, but due to the addition of Bluish material and the demand of erasers, more are coming into the game.

It kind of looks like people are upset with ATK capes dropping significantly. Yes it has to do with the new ATK cape, but the market in general has been down since the end of Summer and the last event. People have noticed the player based dropped and mesos are harder to come by. Lots of factors come into play here, including the massive Mesos sink with CHAIR GACH.

Again, this is my opinion

 

New players doing CWKPQ=old players HTing. But if old players HT+CWKPQ=double income??

TBH I never get your rant lol. You've told me in-game and I've said the same thing; why not participate in both HT and CWKPQ? I don't see you post feedback that HT drops are too good when MW20 drop back to back...



PS: Btw been doing CWKPQ recently on daily basis. 0 cape, no bliz30, only 1 trash and 1 average goggles so far, sooooooo the drops aren't as good as you might think.

 

i agree with 1) and 3)
remove Blizz30 and reduce blackfist cloak drop rate

 

I dont think CWKPQ need a nerf. HT supposes to be the end game goal for all the players, but guess what, just the NLs, SE and bishop are truly welcome in HT. How about the other classes? Lets think for the others too, where are the pallys, shads and buccs doing when you are HTing for profit? Although they are unpopular class but they need money too! CWKPQ is different, they’re welcomed in this pq and dont have to see the sentence “sr but we just need NLs” everytime they whisper to join a HT run. The reward in bonus stage of CWKPQ is not so good too, the split you get after HT even the worst run will still better than CWKPQ, everyone will receive the same split fair and square. While in CWKPQ, it’s all about luck, if you not lucky enough to hit right in the box that have Blizzard 30 or Blackfist Cape, you go home with zero.
CWKPQ is now one of the best place that unpopular classes can earn money from so please don’t take it away their hands

 

Very good point you have here - cwkpq should remain good enough such that it centers around being inclusive. Well then, I must say that since the server population is dropping, coupled with the fact that lesser new players are joining the game now (the obvious drop in gene20 prices and all books in general), cwk might be one of the best places that allow every class and every player to participate with minimal restrictions.

However, I still strongly believe that Blizzard 30 should be removed. There's really no reason for it to be in cwkpq. It seems so random and senseless imo. Mages have the farming advantage, why make their books even more readily available? It's already considered of the one more disappointing drops in HT.

Next, I do think that blackfist cape drop rate should still be nerfed. During the time of my last post and this, I've asked players who I'm not close with and even have cases where I did not bring up the subject of cwkpq and they mentioned how common blackfist cape is. Given how it has +hp, shouldn't it be rarer to compensate for superiority it has to pink gaia cape?

Spectrum goggles is the least of my worries. This equip is unique, not the cape. It looks cool even though it's not an NX item (yes, this equip is not purely stats centric). It helps classes, especially warriors to have a significant Str stat in an eye accessory equip other than toad band while other classes already have Dex which is significant enough but not for warriors. This equip drop is really common as well evidently from sitting back and watching the smegas and scouting the market. The other eye accessory equip available is raccoon mask. Given how rare obtaining a good dex raccoon mask is, why should spectrum goggles be far too common compared to it?

In order of most concerned to least, it's Bliz30, BF cape and lastly goggles.

To address the part on maintaining cwkpq's appeal to the population, one player in this post mentioned how the bonus stage should expand and allow everyone to do the bonus stage. MoN average stats is insanely bad compared to HTP. I don't think the MoN looters deserve no share in their bonus stage. The exp reward for cwkpq could also improve. Reward based on the level of the participant obviously.

 

Is CWKPQ even good? When I did it on my bucc I always got trash in all runs so I just quit doing it

 

Bucc and trash always seem to be used in the same sentence

 

cwkpq is going to crash the economy within 3 months calling it now demon elixirs, spectrum goggles, and even the blackfist cape should not be common or easily accessible unlike their counterparts

 

What was once thought as a cape worth getting from gacha has now got down the drain. PGCs are worth slightly more than these capes probably because of it's rarity and low level requirement. But really, what difference does it make in the long run when choosing between blackfist cape and ping gaia cape? This is the same as releasing pgc in cwkpq. Note how there's 4 pages. The first page reflects the more common ones. As time goes by, this cape definitely devalues further if it continues being this common, taking down pgc along with it.

What used to be a single or double paged owl book stabilised at 300-400mil post event period has now gone down to 150mil. Expect it to go down further if nothing is changed.

This equip is the least of my worries because it's the most unique equip released in cwkpq but is still worth nothing as one of my concerns. Toad is less rewarding now that all these goggles are ready for us to chaos at our disposal.

Looking at these screenshots, cwkpq is looking to be less rewarding. My view on this topic has changed. It is no longer the comparison between the returns that horntail and cwk give or whatever have you, but how cwkpq is becoming more and more awful. Seems fun to run but you get items that reward you lesser and lesser by the day. So actually, the drops are too good in a way that it's too common. If you are still a firm believer that cwkpq drops are not too good, then you're right, but it still needs to be changed. I believe most of the voters who voted 'No' in the poll are frequent cwkpq runners since, initially from this thread, they rather go against my views on nerfing the drops mentioned and want to maintain the attractiveness of cwkpq. Now just ponder for a bit and look at the situation from the screenshots above. Something needs to be done about the drops for cwkpq. In my honest opinion, all I see in the near future is how people don't feel like doing cwkpq anymore because doing it to get bf cape is obviously not worth at all and doing it for blizzard 30 that's just senseless, of which assumes that the drop remains this way. Doing it for spectrum goggles, taos, demon elixers etc are the only reasons worth doing cwkpq for. One of the posts mentioned above would like to keep cwkpq the way it is since it gives unpopular classes a way to generate some income. With the situation blatantly shown in the screenshots, the income generation point explained above will eventually mean little to nothing at all.

Just like GPQ, this pq could possibly suffer the same fate whereby the only items players are probably eyeing for in the pq are spec goggles, demon elixers and taos (just like ifrit30 and ass30 where you can't get anywhere else). What should carefully be considered is how the pq can maintain it's attractiveness, providing the server with the supplies obtainable from this pq while also making sure that the demand for the items generally exceed the supply entering the market. By doing so, the pq is worth doing due to the items having a higher value because of the demand while the rarity of such items should not deter players from wanting to do the quest. The attractiveness part of the pq need not only be limited to the bonus stage or the MoN, it can come in the form of Exp, other untradeable equips, untradeable potions etc that CANNOT enter the market but are still appealing to players.

I will be placing this post as an update the thread since I'm taking a different approach into convincing the community that the drops need to be adjusted.

For those who have already voted, consider this update I have made and change your votes if you have to. I will also be changing the question in the poll to 'CWKPQ drops need to be changed/adjusted'.

I was not able to foresee such a change and also my view on this topic changing, and for that I do apologise.

 

I'm sorry that I don't agree with all you said.
You should try to owl other items obtained from gacha.
Is there any item worthy now?
I don't think so cuz as what you can see, everything is dropping now.


Wan't it 500-550m before?


Wan't it a little more than 250m before?


Wan't it a little more than 400m before?

Not to mention the gears, no one is willing to buy a 86wa revolver, isn't it?
Isn't it worth to try 30% first and 10%+WS to finish it?
The truth is only few ppl are buying items now. (scrolls are not included.)
Only those items which are bought by the Profiteers are worth now, e.q. the erasers to make
Alchemist Ring (I guess the rate has been secretly decreased a lot since I didn't get any octopus after 300 tix).
btw, leech fee has dropped a lot in these weeks.
To make things clearer, there are fewer and fewer ppl playing now since there seems to be nothing attractive anymore.

 

I'm sorry but what you are saying is simply deflation plus a creeping growing supply. With the introduction of items like blizzard and bf cape in cwkpq dropped the price blizzard to around 42% its original price (350-150) and the price of 3wa cape dropped to around 28%(350-100). White scroll and chaos scrolls deflated to around 80% and the items you showed above hardly dropped to 50%. In fact most of it dropped just to 60%. That's not even 2x it's original price whereas the problematic cwkpq crashed the said concerned items by 2.5 and nearly 4x their original price.

The market crashed. It did deflate which is what you brought up, but you're discounting certain items crashed and crashed hard. Weapon attack capes won't become obselete for sure, but it becoming too common is not how you make a server appealing because to be frank, it's reminding me of post big bang whereby items that were once held with high regard now has gone to the shitter thanks to it becoming readily available to anyone.

 

BLIZZ30 please go away from CWKPQ T-T

 

There has only been one staff response for this thread so far, and personally I don't think it's a very helpful one

I am still going with the response I got from @Matt in-game, stating the drops are intended (I think he meant only BCF at that time though, as that was what my question was directed towards)
However, after everything posted in this thread (I feel like a lot of effort has been put into researching it by some) it feels like a new staff response is required. We want to know if this is something that concerns the staff, and if they have any plans related to it yet.
Also, I don't agree that balancing should be done after an implementation. Not all implementations are reversible, and people have pointed this out already earlier in this thread.

 

I definitely agree with removing blizzard 30 from the bonus drop tables to preserve the value of it from Horntail.

I don’t agree with lowering the rates or taking out the godly system for spectrum goggles. I have done about 20 cwkpq runs since the release and out of all those bonus runs (opening 6-8 boxes) I have gotten a pair of 2/2 spectrum goggles, a 5att black fistcloak, and no blizzard 30s. I don’t know if I’m super unlucky or this is normal but I think bonus is really subpar unless you roll some godly stats on either the goggles or black fist cloak.

I even recorded my two bonus runs from yesterday after following this thread!

 

I think cwkpq's reward is good to some group. I only have 2-3 hr play this game a day, and vote every day for ap reset not gacha.

My first chart is bis, but gen30 mw20 TT30 all from HT it make this 3 skillbook have high price I have to play about 1 month can buy gen30 and pass rate is 50%, means if fail, I have to spend 1 month to earn money to buy anther one, btw still 50% to pass it.

I'm a simple player. join mapleroyals just want relax and enjoy the old time, this game maplestory in Taiwan need to spend money or u just a shit. so cwkpq's reward make pcg and Blizz30 price down is good to me or people like me, not mean I can earn a lot money from that, no, is more to "enjoy" this game.

If u only care about how much u can earn from HT and reduce some reward will infraction ur profit. I suggest that maybe u should try to play maplestory official Taiwan version. because u only think about money and money and more money, maplestory official Taiwan version very need people like u, trust me.

Everyone only have 2 times do HT and cwkpq a day, one team share HT drop and VIP service, but when do cwkpq does anyone will share the reward?

So u don't need to worry u can't make a living from HT, is ridiculous. even the worst u still have VIP sell 500m. cwkpq even can't get a shit. In my opinions.