DK vs Hero?

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    Wouldn't the attack speed be slower if you used a weapon like sky skis?
     
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    Yep, thats the main point im trying to point out here, sky skis are normal, stonetooth is fast.
     
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    Brandish is also just a faster skill even with the same weapon speed.
     
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    @Narutard Any chance you found anything about dpm from normal attack speed?
     
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    All of the attacks per minute are included in the image I posted.
     
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    Are ST +5 in speed? that means with SI +3?
    Same with skis would that mean with SI they are +4?
     
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    we were talking about max buffed vs krexel (aka si se) , if u forgot o0
     
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    Ive been talking about in general, ofc a drk can out deeps a hero if they have si, but gl finding a bucc:p
     
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    From Sleepywood or Southperry I think. Sleepywood doesn't exist anymore and a lot of the old threads on Southperry doesn't exist either so I can't really give a source. However you can easily test the difference from damage with/without Combo and see that your damage on combo is not 2.5x higher than regular hits.
     
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    #1 buccnever4get
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    +3 with booster +2 with SI. SI is op so normal speed also becomes +2.
     
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    Rip Hero's #DrK master race
     
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    If someone can do the calculations though, I'd be interested in seeing the exact % comparison! :D
     
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    This is where you get a GM to test it out on krexel/dodo and see the difference.
     
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    You can easily make a si mule but ,
    Let's say both classes have their advantages , so just pick the class you enjoy the most :p
     
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    Okay. I did some comparisons. In this case it's an end game Dark Knight with Sky Ski VS. a hero with Stonetooth.

    Calculations:
    Dark Knight


    Gear:

    Helmet - 35 STR 25 DEX

    Earrings - 15 DEX
    Eye Acc - 7 DEX Raccoon mask

    Face Acc - 15 STR

    Necklace - 28 STR 28 DEX

    Overall - 45 STR, 5 DEX

    Glove - 20 attack

    Cape - 15 attack

    Shoes - 15 attack

    Ring 1 - 3 STR, 3 DEX, 1 Att

    Ring 2 - 10 STR, 5 DEX

    Spear - 139 ATT, 21 STR Sky Ski



    Base STR: 1119 (mw20)
    Base DEX: 4

    STR from gear: 157
    DEX from gear: 88

    Total STR: 1276
    Total DEX: 92
    Total Att: 190

    1276 * 5 + 92 = 6472
    6472/100 = 64.72
    AP value: 64.72

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    Damage on Energizer

    A) Without SI

    64.72 * (190 + 25) * 1.04 (echo) = 14,471

    14,471 * 1.7 * 3 * 2 * 0.9 (mastery) = 132,843

    132,843 / 0.93 = 142,841 DPS

    B) With SI

    132,843 / 0.81 = 164,003 DPS
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    Damage on Onyx Apple

    A) Without SI

    64.72 * (190 + 100) * 1.04 (echo) = 19,519

    19,519 * 1.7 * 3 * 2 * 0.9 (mastery) = 179,184

    179,184 / 0.93 = 192,670 DPS

    B) With SI

    179,184 / 0.81 = 221,214 DPS
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    Hero

    Helmet - 25 STR 35 DEX

    Earrings - 15 DEX

    Eye Acc - 7 DEX

    Face Acc - 6 STR, 10 DEX

    Necklace - 28 STR 28 DEX

    Top - 26 STR, 6 DEX

    Bottom - 8 STR, 16 DEX

    Glove - 20 attack

    Cape - 15 attack

    Shoes - 15 attack

    Ring 1 - 3 STR, 3 DEX, 1

    Ring 2 - 10 STR, 5 DEX

    Spear - 146 ATT, 21 STR Stonetooth Sword


    Base STR: 1119 (mw20)
    Base DEX: 4

    STR from gear: 127
    DEX from gear: 125

    Total STR: 1246
    Total DEX: 129
    Total Att: 197

    1246 * 4.6 + 129 = 5860.6
    5860.6 / 100 = 58.606
    AP value = 58.606

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    Damage on Energizer

    A) Without SI

    58.606 * (197 + 25) * 1.04 (echo) = 13,530

    13,530 * 2.6 * 2 * 1.9 * 0.8 (mastery) = 106,941

    106,941 / 0.69 = 154,986 DPS

    B) With SI

    106,941 / 0.63 = 169,474 DPS
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    Damage on Onyx Apple

    A) Without SI

    58.606 * (197 + 100) * 1.04 (echo) = 18,102

    18,102 * 2.6 * 2 * 1.9 * 0.8 (mastery) = 143,078

    143,078 / 0.69 = 207,359 DPS

    B) With SI

    143,078 / 0.63 = 227,107 DPS

    Results:

    Dark Knight:

    A) Energizer without SI - 142,841 DPS
    B) Energizer with SI - 164,003 DPS
    C) Apple without SI - 192,670 DPS
    D) Apple with SI - 221,214 DPS

    Hero:

    A) Energizer without SI - 154,986 DPS
    B) Energizer with SI - 169,474 DPS
    C) Apple without SI - 207,359 DPS
    D) Apple with SI - 227,107 DPS
     
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    Oh wow, heroes have higher dps with si as well, thats unexpected
     
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    I thought mastery was 60% + 20% from beholder at least when looking at hidden street.
    Same with Hero's having 60% not 80% or am I wrong?
     
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    Wow.. :(

    I.. I redeemed myself on our second run QQ
     
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    It's refers to average damage.

    For Dark Knight it's 90% average damage taking minimum 80% + maximum 100% divided by 2.
    For Hero it's 80% average damage taking minimum 60% + maximum 100% divided by 2.
     
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    Pfang whites everyone so it goes even
     
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