Yeah. It's you. I'll reiterate what I said earlier: "I don't give a fuck about this current event and think it's pretty hilarious the way it's been implemented." Alright, alright, I'll spell it out for you in an actual detailed post since you don't seem to grasp the obvious problems with this event, despite my variously posting about them previously. I'll stop with the shitposting since all it seems to be doing is getting you upset. I've had my fun, and I'll go back to shitposting later. Lower level training spots give a disproportionately large amount of egg drops. Given that 4th job mages can farm these anyway and sell leech, your approach is silly; 4th job mages are always going to have an advantage when it comes to farming. That's an innate unbalance that comes with 0.62, and it's obviously going to be impossible to balance around that. By nerfing the egg spawn rates on higher level maps, the people you're harming most are 4th job non-mages, since their normal training spots don't give great egg turnouts, and since they don't have the luxury of farming lower level maps by using magician ultimates. Currently, a case could be made that 4th job mages have an even greater advantage since not only can they sell leech and get some of the best, steady meso income/hour, but we're currently the best at completing the event while doing so. (Obviously I could take full well advantage of this fact since I am a bishop, but as you can tell by how much investment I have in this event, I have elected not to do so.) As for my other points I've raised at various times which you have conveniently not decided to address, I'll reiterate those again as well. Compared to the lunar new year/valentines events, which variously gave a very useful ring, 30% scrolls, energizer drinks, loads of NX cash, and which comparatively required no extra effort or standard deviations from one's normal training routine, this event is an absolute joke. It requires a more concentrated, concerted effort and is less rewarding. Generally speaking, high-risk, low-reward systems are bad and aren't worth doing. This one is no exception. So speaking from the standpoint of someone whose first event was the Valentines/Chinese New Year Event, which was actually very fun and well-done (I'll give credit where it's due), this event is so hilariously bad and unrewarding. It's a mess. Like Ted Cruz. And that's another thing. The rewards suck. I'll flat out say it again. The rewards suck. If the drop table thread I've started is anything to go by, there's absolutely no reason to go out of your way to hunt these things. Not only is the event much harder to participate in and make meaningful progress in, but there's no incentive to do so. 100 Elixirs? Oh boy! 10 Summoning Rocks? Well golly gee. The best rewards here are... chairs. That's right. Chairs. Here's the icing on the cake: eggs don't stack, and this is what's really funny about the event. The fact that eggs don't stack only makes sense if the event's implementation is predicated on having horribly low droprates. If the egg drop rates were higher, you can bet your ass that people would be spending half their training time just walking back to the mad bunny NPC in order to clear up inventory space. But nah, my bet is that eggs not stacking is a deliberate, planned move which betrays the intention to make the droprate godawful in the first place.
TL; DR you want every event to be huge and rewarding you with useful stuff, that's unrealistic and that's also not how life works. There will always be big and small events, events with big rewards and events with small rewards. That does not mean you should be completely ungrateful towards the smaller events, with that said we could also just not have any events at all anymore if that's what you prefer. Life is what you make of it, you choose to see all the negatives rather than the positives. Sure there could be things tweaked, sure some things could be done better .. but to say the event is hilariously bad? Like I said before it just sounds to me like you're ungrateful.
Job: Marksman Level: 165 Map: El Nath: Forest of Dead Trees II — (Coolie Zombies) Time Spent Farming: 5 hours straight. Eggs Received: 11 out of 101 egg mobs. I felt like documenting my experience, setting my record up to 100 killed egg mobs. At first I got 4 eggs within the first 20 mobs I killed. Meaning 4/22 at first. Later then it took me more than 20+ kills to get a 5th egg. Same thing happened twice, and ended up with a total of 11/101. I managed to farm 55 stacks of zombie teeth in the procedure. That's 11,000 teeth. Currently Orbis etc's stacks are up for 500k mesos. Therefore, I made 27,5m mesos worth in 5 hours (I never npc'ed equipment stuff). Very badly rewarded 5 hours of farming. Egg-wise, mesos-wise, exp-wise. I'm afraid to say I am not satisfied, but I wanted to give it an honest try : ). EDIT: I wanted to state I feel a 7% egg drop rate off egg mobs.
Not ungrateful, just calling things as I see them. As for positives in this event, the only one I can think of is that at least the rewards are free, which I already mentioned in a previous post. To say that I "choose to see negatives rather than positives" is a lie; my outlook is that of realism, and realistically speaking, this event simply has more negatives than positives.
I believe you said you had only experienced this event and the Lunar/Valentines event, so because you seem quite new to the server, I'll try to break a few things down for you... In the lunar/valentines event we also nerfed the exact same maps, however I don't believe it was ever mentioned publicly during the event. It doesn't sound like you had any issues with the previous event though, so it seems to me the only reason you are upset is because you are now aware that they are indeed nerfed. Our aim for both events were to allow the players to play the game as they normally would, and be able to be rewarded with event drops that can be used with the event. That's right, it's quite literally meant to be an opportunity to have a bit of extra fun to help you enjoy playing the game. If you want to go out of your way to find the best grinding spot, to get the most event drops per minute, that's entirely up to you. However, in every single seasonal event we do, we are completely open to feedback, and in many cases we do alter events while they are running if we feel something does indeed need changing. It does help if you give constructive feedback without being sarcastic though. And in fact, I was completely unaware that you were being sarcastic until your first post today in this thread... So yes, it really does help if you can give proper feedback. It could be that you are just not used to being on servers where the staff actually listen to people and try to change things for the best whenever possible. In regards to the actual content of this event. Yes, it was slightly rushed. But some things do end up getting rushed as we are all volunteers, and have other real life responsibilities to take care of. I feel that the rewards themselves are well themed to the event and quite varied which I feel is a good thing. Even some of the trash items like Elixirs, Summoning Rocks and All Cures can still come in useful. I'm sorry if you were expecting something more extravagant, but we had to do our best with what was already in our WZ files. I also would like to note that there had been no feedback at all about players even wanting an Easter event, however I did feel like going out of my way between work, and preparing to go on vacation for a few days, to code something for people to enjoy participating in over Easter if they wanted to. Things can be changed, and we are open to change. Even the amount of eggs stacking per slot can be changed, but since it has never been brought up before - in constructive feedback - how are we supposed to know what we can change to make the event more enjoyable for people?
Thank you for finally posting Feedback in the Feedback section! Lower level training spots have the exact same drop rates as every other map in the game apart from a select few that we chose to change. So you're wrong, straight up. You know where we didn't nerf the rate on? Temple of Time - common training spot for every non-mage 4th job class in the game. This entire paragraph is straight up incorrect. You're right; we just brought out two extremely strong events. This one was meant to be casual. You sound really upset that it's not, so I guess you missed the point. You don't have to participate, so instead of.... you know, not participating, you choose to dedicate your time towards slamming something that you don't have to participate in. Some people really like chairs. You don't. You're not the only opinion that matters. This paragraph doesn't even make sense. Clear your ETC inventory and you can carry almost enough eggs to complete the whole event in one swoop. You have 96 ETC slots, you need 100 eggs to finish. lol
well one thing i don't like is that the eggs don't stack. i don't see the point in them not stacking :| like i'm farming at zombies, and i have to have room for the eggs and teeth. right now my inventory is 44 stacks of teeth and the rest of it is ores/quest items so it is pretty annoying to not be able to stack eggs. no room in storage/shop so i'd have to make a new account and character if i wanted to hold more, which i'm too lazy to do 8)
Since you actually put it nicely, with a logical reason for why you have your suggestion... As far as I know, this is just a limitation with the item itself. I believe it was supposed to be a one-of-a-kind item in the first place, and so I'd hazard a guess at making them stack requiring some sort of more intensive work that it was decided didn't need to be done. Don't forget that you can use your storage NPC in the Free Market for an extra few slots (15? I think) to help you hold all of your things. If there really is such an outcry over the eggs not stacking, we'll consider looking into making a change. To provide my own experiences: Job: Bishop Level: 180 Map: Petrifighters Time Spent Farming: 4 hours Egg rate: 0.5 per hour Job: Bishop Level: 180 Map: Road to Oblivion 2 Time Spent Farming: 2 hours Egg rate: 3/hr Job: Wizard (I/L) Level: 40 Map: Tree Dungeon, Forest Up North IX Time Spent Farming: 1 hour Egg rate: 2/hr
Show me where I said that lower level training spots have lower drop rates than higher level training spots (hint: I didn't). I said that they give a disproportionate amount of eggs. In case you can't understand the basic logic and common sense behind this, the reason for that is that lower level training spots have higher spawn rates, generally speaking: just look at GS2, Lower Ascent, Cloud Terrace, Wolf Spider Cavern, Ulu, Truckers, to name but a few. And guess what? 4th job mages are going to leech people in a lot of these places, meaning that we can still make money from leeching while also progressing in the event. Again, 4th job non-mages are the ones being shortchanged the most because they're neither leeching people in these places, and the best places for 4th job non-mages to train don't have great egg drop rates either. The people who benefit most from this event are 4th job mages who leech others in lower level training areas for profit, which I find extremely ironic since your stated purpose behind the whole nerf thing was so that 4th job mages would have a harder time in comparison to other classes. FYI I've tried temple of time as well and haven't gotten anything better than the typical 1 egg per hour, and since ToT is awful experience and money all around, I'd rather train at gobies since I can still gain money there. Anyway since that's the only real factual point you bothered addressing, I'll extend the favor and not bother addressing the rest of your post, and instead respond to the more reasoned, logical post. I agree with you in that I think most of us get that the point of an event is to be able to play normally while also gaining something a little extra; hence why I praised the last event and outlined why it was a good idea. It's the reason why I think this event is a failure in comparison to the last one. If these same maps were nerfed during the last event, it certainly wasn't noticeable since I was still able to get a decent amount of tickets and envelopes from gobies. During this event, on the other hand, it feels like it's at least ten or twenty times harder to obtain eggs at gobies than it is in ulu 1/2, wolf spiders, or any lower level map. If the goal of the event was to be able to play normally while also being able to feasibly gain something extra, then this event is a failure, coming from somebody whose only real training spots and means of progression are gobies, skeles, and petrifighters. As I mentioned in another post, I'd have to train at least 150 hours at petris/gobies to get the requisite 100 eggs for that chair (which, in my understanding, is probably the best reward in this event currently), or else be forced to train at somewhere lower leveled with better egg rates/hour in order to stand a chance at getting that chair. Sure, the "something extra" in my case is the rewards for single eggs, but at this point in the game, where I can buy summoning/magic rocks/all cures from alcaster and NLC pots, most of these rewards are just trash to me. Hell, I doubt that 10 summoning rocks, 50 eggs, 5 cookies, or 95% of what I've seen on the drop table is anything to get remotely hyped about for any player in any point in the maple journey. I had actually posted a couple times in the actual event thread, and brought up some of the exact same points that I did in this thread, but nobody really bothered to address or respond to them, which is why I figured that I may as well lazily shitpost and be flippant throughout this thread. Surely enough, so far with the exception of your post, Matt, that approach has gotten me the exact same type of condescending, annoyed, and generally stupid responses that my more intelligent post did. It seems that you're the only one here capable of taking criticism and responding with a nuanced, intelligent opinion, which I appreciate. I appreciate your well-reasoned post, and am glad that I could understand your side of things and hear them explained from someone who can accept criticism without resorting to non-sequiturs, strawman, and ad-hominem arguments. Hell, among all the posts I've been seeing in this forum in general, it's refreshing to see someone who isn't an idiot actually having a reasoned, thoughtful discussion. It's almost surreal. On a side note, am I the only one who finds it a bit odd that you guys weren't getting much of a push to have an easter event? It was a big event back during .62 and one of the biggest commercialized holidays in many countries in the western world.
My guess to why you find a lot less eggs from gobies during this event, than you would find envelopes during the previous event, would be that there's a difference in the way you obtain the event items. During the lunar festival event every monster had the ability to drop an envelope which means the goby fish that spawn from the goby house can drop envelopes, however as far as I'm aware a monster spawned by a monster can not transform into an event monster. This means that a goby house and a bonefish can become an egg monster on spawn, but the goby fish can not as they technically don't spawn but get summoned instead. I could of course be wrong, but I don't think I've ever seen a goby fish turn into an event monster.
I am currently playing a BM during this event and as a very poor grinding class I go to bubblings in order to farm eggs soley to get as many eggs as possible and it's still a grind. For context I've spent probably about 25 some hours to get 50ish eggs. I personally like the difficulty in the event for something purely cosmetic as it becomes a trophy, which in itself is exciting to earn and have.
Correct. The Jr. Newties that spawn naturally by the map and any naturally spawning Nest Golems if you are on the larger map have the potential to become Eggy Popps, but the Nest Golems that appear as a result of killing a Jr. Newtie than transforms will never become an Eggy Popp.
Job: Fighter Level: 54-77 Map: Forest of Golems Time Spent Farming: About 3 days farming & leveling Eggs Received: total 25(wonder when i will be able to finish the event and get my chair)
I think it depends on the spawn, the quantity, the efficentcy and the amount of time dedicated. These are the maps I leeched my Brawler at (by order): Kerning City Subway: Line 1 <Area 1> Ludibrium: Cloud Terrace <3> Ludibrium: Sky Terrace <3> Kerning City Subway: Line 2 <Area 3> I managed to get about 29 eggs in a day, or a day and a half. Getting 100 eggs until April 17th is not impossible. The drop rate is kinda low though, I'd say 20% of the eggs that were visable on my screen only dropped their ETC.
Job: Marksman Level: 165 Map: Forest of Golem Time Spent Farming: near 5 hours Eggs Received: 7/107 Job: Marksman Level: 165 Map: Forest of Golem Time Spent Farming: 2 hours Eggs Received: 3/50 Job: Marksman Level: 165 Map: Road to Oblivion 5 Time Spent Farming: 1 hour Eggs Received: 0/7 basically 10 eggs in 8 hours... lol dude... . .. .. . .. ... .. . ... . ...
Job: Bishop Level: 15x Map: Skele Map Time Spent Farming: near 5 hours Eggs Received: 3 Eggs Job: Bishop Level: 15x Map: Wolf Spider Time Spent Farming: 1 hour Eggs Received: 8 Eggs Job: Bishop Level: 15x Map: Wolf Spider Time Spent Farming: 1 hour Eggs Received: 2 Eggs The rate is never the same and sometime at skele i just get NOTHING during my leech
As an update, though I did not formally keep track of the time it took, I have now gotten 100 eggs as a BM at bubblings in ~40 hours.
