In Discussion Class/Skill [Feedback Request] Skill Changes and Balancing

Hot take: Mages don't need to be good at bossing. No other class levels as fast as they do (FP is especially fast post level 80), they're able to make insane amounts of money with leeching too.

They're a niche class. That's a good thing. You have DPS bossing classes that suck ass at grinding and leveling- are we making everyone good at grinding with mass multi mob damaging skills to compensate?

 

agreed to all except can we have one skill (maybe dragon’s breath) which affects mobs but not boss mobs? I need it to solo shao i.e push shao clones away and puppet while i kill shao.

 

Hello Evan

1. Mages don't need to be good at bossing. No other class levels as fast as they do (FP is especially fast post level 80) ???

>>> Even though Leveling pre 4th job and even 4th job mages doesn't seem to be that big of the aspect for me, what about FP before level 80? what about IL 3rd job ? Isn't Shad 3rd job fast too ?. And on 4th jobs nowadays non-mage classes also have many very fast leveling options like Shao, LHC, even some other bosses.

2. they're able to make insane amounts of money with leeching too. ???

>>> Most of Leeching arch mages can do bishops can do.
>>> Attacker classes can sell services that can earn a lot of money too, even though might not be on the same level as skele Leeching.
>>> Some attacker classes can do RG pretty well, probably even better than arch mages, that can gain 200m+/hr equivatent of profit.
>>> For single content mage faming, they only make like 50m/hr mesos, I am sure attacker classes can make more money than that rate.

I have stated in your quoted comment that even increasing DPS for mages by a lot, they still have elemental limitations, Bosses that they can do well with their element is probably less than 50% of the bosses. That's a trade of for their very-good 10+target mobbing skill. Were you aware of this point that I had already stated ?

 

1) Poison allows FP mages to kill much higher level enemies than they normally would be able to- this works 30+ but mist is much much much faster.
2) So you want them (mages) to be the best grinders by a margin SO wide- and also be good at a lot of bosses but not all of them because of elemental weaknesses? Funny thing is this isn't even a new argument- one of the old Staff members unironically wanted to make CL stronger than or equal to paralyze because they were slightly worse for bossing ignoring the fact that CL is multi target. If people want to boss they should play a bossing class. For games like maple to survive you NEED this sort of diversity and class identity.

Go boss on your mage if you want to- don't throw the meta of the entire game off because you're trying to shove a square block into a round hole. If you're that sold on it- go become the best mage the game has ever seen- break the mold. Nothing is stopping you besides the fact that people won't invite you- I mean heck- people will spend billions to wash instead of bringing a DrK for HB it's that big of a deal to people who boss regularly lmao.

Also honorable mention, in what universe is only 50mil/hr bad. You really think a hero is out there selling leech for 50mil/hr + all the drops they can sell? I'm not talking about bossing- since there's a cap on that. (is BF leech still a thing? Don't know- doesn't matter- when people say they're selling leech they're almost universally talking about ulu, skeles, etc).