Gellerhead shield buff

This would be awesome. Full support!

 

I think this would be a great addition to warrior classes, and would almost instantly have me converting to 1H and trying my luck at making a great shield.

 

That feels really broken. Nobody would ever use 2h again after the monster w.att shield meta creeps in. And I'll say something really controversial but I think shield attack and magic attack scrolls were a huge mistake. 50 weapon attack warrior shields is insane.
Just buff shields to have better strength and defense, magic defense. Just release dual blades lol. Overalls get 10 slots because it's a larger piece of equipment.

Yeah I just gotta disagree with that, and a GM being on board with that idea is worrisome. 10 slots on all shields is overkill.

10 on a once per char untradable shield, that is fair though. I think if shield users want to be more rounded, shield mastery should be improved, not breaking the two hand meta just to serve the 1hers

 

YES, PLEASE MUFF! Make the dream come real!

 

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Please note that max attack without chaosing a shield is 30, 50 is max tma possible for mages.

Also, we are referring to uniquely warrior shields here. What we are proposing is making shields comparable to maple shield, not making shields that will destroy the meta. Furthermore, 2h will always do more damage than 1h. This isnt what we are contesting, we want shield diversity and possibly defensive stats that matter.

Cheers, Haplopelma

 

But people will 100% chaos them lol, you're crazy if you think that won't happen.

I know what the thread is about, I'm saying giving all warrior shields 10 slots won't diversify them, it just means they'll be scrolled for attack and beyond belief. You can get cheap one hand weapons and 1h scrolls and cheap shields and outdamage 2handers, everyone who can scroll it will.

I agree with gellerhead getting the buff, all warrior shields across the board is a bad call, and of course people want it, it's broken. And I'm all for shields/shield mastery improving, I've said it in lots of other threads and a lot of my own threads.
That suggestion in particular though, is broken

Also 2h doing more in formula doesn't matter when a 1h pally can hit cap sooner with a broken shield, and that's what this suggestion will amount to, making it that much harder for 1h axe users and bw users to compete

 

Why would people chaos shields if they can get +3 attack and 2 str from scrolls?
Furthermore, 150 sw does more damage than 120 1hander and 30 atk shield. The multipliers are different. And why wouldn't it diversify them? With the godly system, shields are pretty close in strenght range, people would actually choose them based on looks as the cash shop is extremeley limited in terms of shield skins.

 

If you can get a shield with 40 or higher attack on it, and a 1h weapon somewhere within 20 w.att from perfect, which is where most people sit, and attack faster in most cases, that's where the meta will move because all shields suddenly have 10 slots, people will scroll them just to make money. There's a much bigger incentive as just from a market perspective even, which is not good for most 1handers or people who want to play them and suddenly 1h and shields are more expensive

But the real problem is that it doesn't do anything for shield users, it's just another equip to max attack with, which has nothing to do with being defensive but we're past the point of no return there. Giving them more slots is just more w.att, that's all people are really asking for.

I know that's basically a separate discussion outside of what this thread is about but it's related and people are toying with the idea now. I just see it as a cheap way to appeal to people with lots of money rather than it making sense for the classes

 

Because you could get more w.att and str from a cs. People have the time and money to cs multiple blackbelts and perfect krex rings so yes they'll cs shields. +5 w.att and +5str from one slot is why.
And in some cases you attack faster, or should be able to attack faster with a 1h, that's the theoretical trade-off
Disagree they'll start using shields for looks, I think it would be the broken across the board 10 slots that would be much more likely.

Anyway, yes for the gellerhead to have 10, strongly against all shields having 10 slots, that's op

 

@Icato 50 attack 50 str shield when?????

 

Lol especially for the shields that have dex on them. Imagine how busted it could be. Surprised nobody has tried that...

 

30 attack maple shield is too expensive for most players, let alone chaosing one to a higher attack. It's inefficient to chaos a shield when instead, you can chaos gloves, shoes, and capes.

 

I'm on board with this idea! Sounds like a fun way to get shields a little more attention and providing a more fun option for customization.

I don't think this is going to be a serious thing. You might have one or two people who have enough vast wealth to give this a try, but it won't be that great of a game breaker anyways. If people were going to already Chaos for weapon attack and STR, it would have already been done with a maple shield. An incentive of potentially +11 more STR or so and maybe some DEX won't be enough of a reason for people to chaos it (The max strength I've personally seen on a shield is +11. Might be slightly more). You still need to land a weapon scroll on it first to even begin chaosing or else it has no weapon attack. The scenario you're describing seems incredibly unrealistic.

 

There won't be customization, there's no shield for dex scrolls. It will solely be for attack scrolls, str shields will be pretty useless when you can use an att shield, opening all shields to 10 slots will only start a more competitive att shield trend in warriors, that's literally it

 

hmm

 

Is it though? Even a perfect clean warrior shield only got around 9-10 str, that's worth around 2 atk (+you'd have to farm for them). The difference between 2h and 1h damage is far more than 2 atk so it's not going to change anything. Also 40+ atk shield with cs isn't realistic, it will be as difficult as making 25+ atk cape/shoe which can be like over 200b, and even with it 2h will still be stronger if you got strong gear and apple (and you will have really godly gear if you can afford 200b for a shield lol)

 

Ok I'll concede the chaosing is out there lol, but adding 10 slots to all warrior shields will get magicians and thieves upset. And it won't do anything but widen the attack shield trend, it's doing nothing for shields or giving them more of a reason to be used instead of for attack, when 2h exist. They need to be approached from a different angle imo. I think the more pragmatic way is shield mastery

 

I'd support making all thief shields except Dragon Khanjar (that will be a bit op lol) to be 10 slots too to be honest, nobody really scrolls them anyway.
As for mages, it's kinda debatable but having esther shield (lvl 33 mage shield) be something like 9 slots can be an interesting option I guess (it will be like dark noel, gives some int clean but you can't use it for washing and it needs luk)

As for the attack, well that's the way it is for everything here lol.
I mean top/bottom, capes, shoes, helm etc all give some defense but nobody cares about that and people only look at their atk/stats o.o
Unless you completely change the def stats system here (so they won't be useless) you won't really change this. There is already the Guardian skill for shields that give you a defensive bonus

 

Guardian is amazing and worth the points and wait to 4th, but shield mastery I think is where the commitment and divergence should be made, I added a new suggestion in my warrior feedback thread, what about an extra 10% damage reflect if you're in powergaurd with max shield mastery? or 10% magic reflect with max shield mastery?