Notice 'Godly Items' Adjustment

will this update affect items in Frederick? I had a 104 Clean Nisrock in my shop.

 

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Literally this

I find this very unfair. It's silly to say some perfect items are better than others. Many of them could have the same amount of time/mesos put in. I feel like this was just an effort to appease unhappy players vs thorough solution. Also, players with +7 clean items basically got screwed. They believed it was only 3 atk away from perfect, but now it's four. These players lose an attack while people who already have the godly items just get more buffed, further creating a divide. Every single player has essentially lost an attack/magic attack on every single one of their items but you're choosing to only favor the players with the best gear already. The logical solution in my opinion would be to +1 all items to equalize it for all players of the game, instead of favoring a select few.

 

well that sucks. since I own a +8atk clean pgc which was the 'highest' I assume

 

The difference is that it's highly unlikely that anyone would invest the same amount of funding in an equip that was already 2 below perfect clean and is now 3 below. They will probably 30 the first slots or scroll it like any other weapon (30s followed by 60/70).

@Sweep again, the difference is the investment. In the end, all you can do is Chaos it, and no better result is guaranteed because of the 8 ATT clean, it depends on the result of Chaos scrolls (although +8 is a nice a boost).

 

Guess it'll be harder to perfect an weapon now, unless you were fortunate enough to scroll your weapon before the change.

 

Barely. Perfect clean weapons are about 1.2x as rare as they used to be, but for people who weren't using a select few types of dragon weapons it was all the white scrolls that were harder to get your hands on than the clean weapon.

 

yeah I get it. but I'm blaming you when I get a +5 on my chaoses :3

 

Impossible, you're not @KevinJai!

 

Marty - all weapons are not created equal. If I recall you did 2 30's on a craven without a WS. This is probably because perfect cravens are ~relatively common.~ I'd argue the value of a one or two off perfect Concerto would be about similar. It's unfair without comparing the ease and availability of every weapon. My other weapon choice is a revolver, and I have to put a lot of money into crafting each one of those.

tldr;
value of all weapons cannot be quantified that simply, nor can you easily judge the funds/effort put into each weapon

 

Sure if it is Cravens or craftable items. But things like perfect Purple Sleeves are probably more difficult to obtain than the white scrolls required. It's not a massive difference but it's still there.

 

You fucked up the quote, js

Anyways, of course you can't compare them, but take into account that I used more than one Craven. Statistically speaking, one would have to use around 11 Cravens to have 1 with 2x 30% passed on it in a row, and that combined will be 3b. This is rare, and realistically speaking, you only spend 1.5b or so on the first two slots (case scenario). So the investment would be less, but would involve more risk and less security. I might've only spent 3b on my Craven, but I used 4x 30% on it, so I risked blowing up the item (It not blowing up after 4 of those has a chance of 17.85%, so quite risky).

To be more general: Not the plain value can be looked at, but the investment. I agree that not all perfect items are equally valuable or even require equal investments (statistically speaking), but as has been said, it's impossible to be 100% fair to everyone, and pleasing the majority is the way to go, then.

Edit (excuse my lack of the ability to read properly): The difference in terms of availability has and always will be a problem, though... And as I said, you're right, this makes it less fair for everyone, but staff can only do what they see as the best solution, which, normally, is to at least make it fair for the majority.

 

There have been more purple sleeves available in the game than most craftable weapons (revolvers, slash claws, shiner bows, carabellas, etc.)

 

LOL but in my opinion this is literally the opposite of pleasing the majority. This is pleasing the players who have perfect weapons which is a very small portion of the server. Pleasing the majority would be +1 all to equalize it for all players. Now, a select few essentially got buffed one attack above everyone else on the server.

 

wouldn't it make more sense to just +1 every weapon in the game?

 

How does that make sense? Almost all other items that aren't perfect wouldn't be invested in to that extent (not even near that), and it wouldn't change the outcome or value of anything other than (near-)perfect weapons, since most weapons don't even have this godly items feature applied to them.

 

welp rip my 57 sleeve

 

Exactly. So far it seems like what seemed important was the value of items. Yet the players owning those items have literally billions to spend, and are most likely fully geared. They have every right to be proud of their gear, as I'm sure they worked hard for it, but they also have an easier time getting meso. But IMO these people shouldn't be the the ones, and especially not the ONLY ones to be compensated. There are a lot of other people that could use a hand, and don't have the capacity of 50 billion in gear. The people that were already well off are are the ones that benefit from this, while the other majority of people have to "deal with it".

 

Do weapons that were obtained ,after the godly system suddenly being fixed, that were +4 attack while +5 attack was available get 1 attack extra as well? Since there's been a few days between the system being changed and this +1 fix.