This is good info, I didn't realize SE didn't stack like that for heros I compared a few Krex eye videos and it does support this fact! (260%*190%*0.85) +((260%*190%)+140%*0.15) In a vacuum, heros still out damage Drk with no Buff or with Only SI. Drk wins slightly with SI+SE+Apple, by 0.5-2% depending on gearing! The average Hero with non-perfect wep and sub 40 cgs still edge Drks in most cases. Low-ended heros win in all 3 sections due to their higher w.atk floor, but with higher level funding, the 4.3 vs 3.542 Str multiplier really shines for Drks