How to make paladins useful

welch123 · Oct 15, 2017

i dont think its possible to make paladins useful

PaddysPub · Oct 16, 2017

Being able to stack lightning charge with fire/ice charge would be a good change. Wouldn't need to change any damage numbers on the skills. Holy charge wouldn't stack. That way the damage would be 135% with lightning/ice, and 145% with fire/lightning. Holy would still do the most damage on neutral monsters, but at least the others would be viable for third job and early 4th job. (Edit: This is all of course if the damage actually stacks when the charges combine.)

Evan · Oct 16, 2017

cascadaepic said: ↑

tbh, i think giving them magic crash is the best solution going forward- pallies arent supposed to be primary dps, theyre supposed to be a cc tank, if its possible, create a brand new spellshield type skill where it will block seduces at ht (as well as other cc like darkness, curse, weakness etc). in return, revert their new source damage buffs so as to make heroes >the< dps warrior
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Revert what? You mean the 5% increase to ice charge and the 30% to blast? Because those made pallys too strong. lol

sleeve · Oct 26, 2017

Is there a calculation formula for threatens effect? I essentially use it to reduce boss dmg coming at me by 200ish (so i use a bit less pots and dont have to change my pet's autopot setting).... I see no increase in my own damage or party damage, unless boss wdef means nothing in the formula, then I guess it will forever be a useless skill.

Matt · Oct 26, 2017

I posted a reply to the Threaten bug report:
Matt said: ↑
I've spoken to our developer about Threaten and the conclusion is that currently the skill reduces the affected mob by a static number rather than a %, and that even though the skill description states it should be a %, this wasn't actually properly implemented in the client until around v0.95.

v0.95:
Code:
136 = (signed int *)(a6 + 52);
if ( *(_DWORD *)(a6 + 52)
&& *(_DWORD *)(a6 + 60) == 1201006
&& CMobTemplate::_ZtlSecureGet_dwTemplateID(a7) / 0x2710u != 882 )
{
   v137 = (signed int)(((double)*(signed int *)(a6 + 56) / 100.0 + 1.0) * (double)*v136);
}
else
{
   v137 = *v136 + *(_DWORD *)(a6 + 56);
}
(It figures out if the mob's wdef buff is there because of Threaten, and performs the percentage math, otherwise it just adds its base wdef to its "wdef" buff stat.)

v0.83:
Code:
v264 = *(_DWORD *)(v261 + 52) + *(_DWORD *)(v261 + 56);
(Just adds base wdef to wdef buff value, no percentage math nor skill check)

Damage in MapleStory is a game of replicating the same calculations across two programs (the server and the client). Both need to do the same calculations, so in the case of max Threaten we solely tell the client that the mob has the wdef buff of -20 and the client then would figure out what that means based on its calculations.

So pretty much, if we change new source to use percentages for Threaten, any attacks against monsters with Threaten on would be invalid as the client would just be removing 20 from their total wdef instead of removing 20% of it (resulting in the client hitting for less than it should according to the server).

Unfortunately is it not possible to copy over the code from the v0.95 client to v0.83, therefore we are stuck with using static values.
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