How to MP wash (double wash)

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    Hey guys. I'm a level 97 DK with 4 base int and 18 from equips (lol). I'm currently at 9.6k HP, and with the MP I currently have I can wash 32 times.

    My goal is that 18k sweet spot. I gain about 50 HP per level or wash, so as it stands I would need 180 levels/washes to hit that. I also have 20 AP from level ups to use ATM.

    I'm planning the long trek using the daily NX for all my washes so I don't have the disposable income to buy INT gear. What would be the best way to allocate INT and for how long to reach that? One of the posters said there was some weird bell curve, so I wasn't sure of 60, 80, 100, or 120 BASE int would be better.. or whatnot. Ha
     
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    Just did some spreadsheeting. If I saved up the AP to 110, added enough to get 82 base int ( +18 from equips for 100 total), I should be gaining 2 (low end estimation from warrior mp gain) + 8 (from base INT) + 8 per AP added for a total of 52 per level with all fresh AP into MP. minus the 4 per wash, that should give me 12 resets per level. give or take 50 HP per wash + 50 per level should net me 650 HP per level from 110 on.

    Just so I know I did my math somewhat correct, I would need about 10 levels to hit my HP goal at 120. 76 resets to reset INT into str, 50 resets to reset the 50 AP i put into MP into strength, then I should have a total of 120 washes from all the extra MP I have. so 246 total resets needed. (8k per day, = 2.5 resets per day, or 100 days of NX)

    Can someone smarter who knows what their doing help me out and check my math. I'm using lowball estimations on MP gain.

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    I messed up my math. I wasn't subtracting enough mp for washes.. hm
     
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    What does this mean? Bolded the part i didnt understand
    3. Use an AP reset to take that point out of MP and put it anywhere you like. You will lose (class washing cost) MP for this.*
     
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    When should i start MP Washing ?
     
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    You can start whenever you want but if you wait until you have more base int, you will get more mp through mp washing and consume a little less AP resets to reach the mp goal you have to hp wash to the amount of hp you want. The amount of mp you will gain depends on what class you are but for bowmans and thieves usually near 200 BASE int(not total) would be a good number to start at.
     
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    I wanna wash reach 30k mp on my bishop ( for fun )
    What should i do ? :D
     
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    You have to start early using fresh levelup ap into mp 5 times and then reset them and put into int. You have to make sure you gain more than (I think?) 90 mp per point because you lose 90 when you reset. The mp added per point should be around 18-20 mp + increased max mp + (base int/10). That amount should be over 90 to make sure you have more mp than before after removing. I'd suggest mp washing once you have about 100 mp per point, so when removing you have 10 more, times 5 since its 5 ap.
     
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    ah ty, last question: int gear's not working for mp washing right ?
     
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    Right.

    Mp washing is with base int.

    Total int is for natural mp gain when you level up.
     
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    Question, can you wash with this method when you are level 200? The situation I am imagining is that I have say I have a lot of int, take points out of hp, put it into mp, remove all of my int into my main stat, remove all of the mp til I hit the min amount, funneling it into HP?
     
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    MP washing requires fresh AP, so no.
     
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    Unless you saved AP from levels before that
     
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    What is the most economical amount of base int for MP washing (thief)?
    200 base? 300 base?
     
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    If I have 100 base int as a level 70 hero, is it possible for me to hit 30k hp by this method? If so, by what level?
     
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    Whats your current base HP and MP?
     
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    I'm only level 50 right now, 3668 hp 442 mp. No Int gear, int is 4.
     
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    Lets assume 50 HP per wash (-4 MP), and 50 HP gained per level.
    20 levels x 50 HP = 1,000 + 3668 = 4668 HP at 70 naturally, means you need 25,332 HP.
    25,332 / 50 HP per wash = 500 washes. @ -4MP per wash, you need an extra 2,000 MP to wash to 30k.
    Base MP for you is 4xlvl +56, so currently you have in excess, 186 MP, which /4 gives you 46 washes RIGHT NOW.

    Now, if you have 100 INT at 70, you'll gain 2.5 washes per level up (naturally you should gain enough to cover the extra 4 to keep your minimum). If you need 450 more washes, 450/2.5 = 180 levels. A little insane. Not to mention impossible.

    Now, if you get that 100 INT at 70, and you MP wash 5 times (each level up), youll gain 2.5 from the base, and 50MP from the MP washing, and youll lose 20 MP from reseting that MP back into STR (or dex, or whatever).
    30MP / 4 = 7.5
    2.5 + 7.5 = 10 washes per level, which means 45 levels instead of 180, which is VERY doable and puts you at 30k before 4th. However, you're talking a lot of money.

    full tally:
    96 resets to reset 96 INT
    5 per level for 45 levels = 225 resets
    Then 450 washes to wash all that extra MP away into HP = 450 resets

    With the current market value of 10m per reset, you're looking at about 771 x 10 = 7.71 Bil, or a little under 2 years worth of NX (low balling, you get at least 2 washes/day)

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    I would rather, aim for 30k @ 135. You'll have 7.8k HP naturally at 135, leaving you with 22.2k needed, which is about 440 total washes not including the ones you currently have. 46 current washes, means you need about 400 washes, or 1600 MP. 400 washes with the same MP washing @ 5 times per day, means 40 levels instead, you're done MP washing at 110, you can reset the INT to give you better leveling, and youll have the MP sitting waiting for 25 levels to wash before zak.

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    To asnwer your question: Yes it's VERY possible. It's just expensive, and all depends on when you want to hit that 30k, whether its NOW, 135, 155 or 200, all of which just means you need to get a different amount of MP to offset what you get naturally for HP gains from leveling.
     
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    Damn, do you have some sort of spreadsheet to do this? It took me a long time rereading your post (my dumbness, not your lack of clarity), but I finally understand it. It's pretty crazy that I could hit 30k HP at theoretically 115 starting at 70. Let's say I want to eliminate "wasted growth" on health when I level past 115 or 135 or even 199. Let's say that I want to hit 30k HP when I hit level 200, maybe a bit more, but definitely not less. What I'm assuming would happen is that I would spend less points on MP, which saves me resets.

    My paper napkin math puts me at 11168 HP at level 200 assuming 50 hp gained per level and no washing. I would then need ~18850 HP to hit the cap, so that means 377 washes or 1508 mana. The minimum amount of mana I need as a Fighter/Hero is 4*200+56 or 856. By leveling 130 times with 100 INT, that would give me 10 mana per level, so 1300 mana + the 442 I have right now, so that leaves me with 1742 mana. I need 856+1508 mana, or 2364. The difference between these two numbers is 622, but lets round up to 630, which means I need to MP wash over 21 levels. (This is assuming your calculations that I gain 50 mana from putting points into MP as I level up, I lose 20 mana every time I reset those mana points, leaving me with 30 mana gained net, which means that to get 630 extra mana, I need to MP wash 21 times) Please correct me if I'm wrong here. That means, after I hit 200, I could leisurely remove the INT points, putting them into something else (LUK?), and all I need to do to hit 30k HP is to MP wash at least 21 times before that point.

    I hope this is right. I guess my next question is would the number of resets needed decrease if I instead put more points into INT, and what is the sweet spot in terms of putting in the least amount of INT, while having the least amount of MP washes.
     
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    i don't get this part. @Synyster
     

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