HP Washing Calculator

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    For the first point, i think you can update the calculate formula, which is not very large change.
    For the second point, I think you'd better add two hp washing method into calculation, which allows ppl to choose to start which method at which specific level. For the optimize choice, this is a Multi-objective optimization, which is hard to solved only via excel, so I think you can simply present the calculation results, and let the user find the most suitable one by themselves.

    Another point, when you are still adding INT, 1. is better than 2. since it gives more MP increase. However, when you stop adding INT, things changed into a optimize problem, which aims at making APR cost minimum.
     
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    Not sure if this is the place to ask but, I currently have enough int to get 30k hp by 200 but was wondering if I can only hp was after reaching my hp goal's level. Like with my int I could get 23k at 155 and 30k at 200, and I decide to wash at 155, would I still be able to use that 70 int to get 30k at 200? , Also as a Paladin how much hp should I be aiming for anyhow?
     
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    As a paladin, you really don't have an HP target you need to wash to. After all, Achilles is a passive skill that reduces all damage, including 1/1, by 15%. The highest damage you're realistically going to get hit by is about 24k, let's call it 25k to be safe. So with Achilles, you're going to get smacked by 21,250 damage. So 22k HP is just fine if you want to do Auf Haven, the boss at the end of Neo Tokyo. In Horntail though? You really don't need to HP wash at all. You might be the seduce target but even then, as long as you have Hero's Will, you don't need to HP wash in my experience. Horntail seduce is on a very reliable timer so it's easy to tell when it's about to happen and to go on the rope to avoid walking into the tail. And tail is only a danger for 5-8 minutes anyway. Your stance and being on the rope means you're hardly going to budge and if you do start taking a joyride towards the tail, just Hero's Will and you're fine.

    Also, that Level for HP Goal function fully accounts for your natural HP gain as you level up. Go ahead and HP wash at level 155 if you want. Just pay attention to the fact that the calculator calculates your base int until you reach the Level to Reset Base Int and it calculates for your int gear used at every level until you reach the level for Level to Stop Using Int Gear. If you say you're going to reset base int at level 200, then don't reset it earlier. If you say you're going to wear int gear until level 200, then don't stop wearing int gear earlier!
     
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    Thanks for the info! One last thing. I was reading the revised hp wash guide and was wondering if I had to use a reset scroll every level or if I could do it all at once at 155. From what you're saying It looks like I can reset all at once but I wanted to make sure because some people are telling me otherwise.
     
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    Glad to help you!! Totally fine to use AP Resets all at once at level 155. Or level 156. Or level 186. Or level 200 for that matter. :D
     
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    Sorry but a guildie got confused on the calculator. He wanted to know when to pull out mp and put into hp.[​IMG]
    It says that ap into HP or Luk is that where you get the hp goal from or is it from resetting mp into hp?
    I was thinking you add 293 ap into hp and -mp/-int +luck until you catch up
    Not sure what the method is here

    Also my mage calculation is giving me something weird as well it says from 120 to 200 I should put my ap into mp AND int. I'm assuming I do the following?
    First level after 120

    +5mp
    -4mp +1 int

    level 121-131
    +5mp
    -5mp+5int
    131 reset
    -mp +hp until goal

    From then I can mp wash until I like
    +5mp
    -5mp+5int
    and then
    -1mp/hp +1 int
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    So your guildie should add 293 fresh level up AP into HP starting now, at level 76. 293/5=58.6. 76+58=134. But he absolutely must add all his fresh level up AP from level 120-140 into MP.

    So that means from level 76-120, add all fresh level up AP into HP.
    From level 120-140, add all fresh level up AP into MP.
    From level 140-154, add all fresh level up AP into HP.
    And at level 154, you'd put 3 fresh level up AP into HP and the remaining 2 into luk or dex, whichever he needs.
    From level 155-200, he'd put his fresh level up AP into luk or dex.

    If you do the math, that all adds up to 293 fresh level up AP into HP. :D

    Oh, for magician, it didn't occur to me people wanted to calculate HP and MP on their character before their character was level 200. Did a few tweaks and now it should display just fine for you. Redownload your copy here!

    Ran the numbers for you and it's the exact same results you got of course! Just corrected the instructions to display the correct things so you don't get confused. ~f2

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    Tysm for the help! If I don't mess up I'll be able to do 230 resets when I hit 130. As for my guildie he washes from 120-140 and resets int/mp into luk/dex at 155.You really are life saver we've been stressing over this for a while. ~f4
     
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    Hello! Could you please help me with hp washing?
    Job: Hermit
    Level: 75
    Current HP: 3274
    Current MP: 3066
    Current Base Int: 240
    Int Gear Total Int: 240+116=356
    HP Goal: 17,750
    Level for HP Goal: 135

    already did some washing, don't know if i need to mp wash aswell
     
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    HELLO!

    I need help please. New Char.

    Lvl 1, goal: Corsair.
    HP 50
    MP 50
    Base Int 4
    Int Gear 50
    HP Goal 10.000 for HT for lvl 155

    Thanks in advance
     
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    I tried to figure this out on my own, but I couldnt find the ideal base int to stop at, level, etc.

    Job: Corsair
    Level: 43
    Current HP: 1446
    Current MP: 1645
    Current Base Int: 207
    Int Gear Total Int: 53
    HP Goal: 18,750
    Level for HP Goal: 175
     
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    Hi Shiyui! I haven't played in a few years but recently decided to start playing again.
    I remembered that I had a Lv. 140 Hero that I was trying to HP wash and after reading your guide, I'm realizing that I may have really messed it up. I was wondering if you could look over my stats by any chance and let me know if this character is still redeemable and how many AP resets I would need. Thanks so much!

    Stats: Hero Lv. 140
    HP: 30,000
    MP: 2739
    Base STR: 373
    Base INT: 160
    Base DEX/LUK:4

    Thanks again!
     
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    Still confused? HP washing inquires are now open! I'll run the calculation for you if you tell me the following:

    Job: Hunter
    Level: 35
    Current HP: 1269
    Current MP: 1157
    Current Base Int: 160 (I just lvl'ed up and have 2 AP left, not sure if I need more INT or not)
    Int Gear Total Int: 57
    HP Goal: 12.100
    Level for HP Goal: asap I guess?
     
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    Hello! With such a high HP goal, you're definitely going to need to MP wash.

    This was what I found playing around with the numbers:

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    HELLO!

    Your HP washing plan is pretty simple, no need to MP wash at all. :D

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    I assumed you wanted the level for HP goal at level 135, but you can always play with the spreadsheet yourself if you wanted a different level for the HP goal.

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    o-o

    You said your HP is 30,000 already so... I'm not sure what you want exactly.

    Asap would be level 73 I guess:

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    Job: Nightlord
    Level: 51
    Current HP: 1595
    Current MP: 1932
    Current Base Int: 237 (I have 5 fresh AP unused)
    Int Gear Total Int: 102
    HP Goal: 20k or 30k
    Level for HP Goal: 150 ish hoping I could get 30k around that level

    I have not washed anything yet.
     
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    Job: Power Ranger
    Level: 113
    Current HP: 4.3k+
    Current MP: 14.5k+
    Current Base Int: 380 (Total Int is 540)
    Int Gear Total Int: 118
    HP Goal: 30000
    Level for HP Goal: 200
     
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    Hi. Im kinda new to the game so HP washing kinda confuse me. Can you do the meth for me pls. Would really appreaciated if you did.
    Job: Shadower
    Level:1
    Current HP:50
    Current MP:5
    Current Base Int: 13
    Int Gear Total Int:120
    HP Goal:16k
    Level for HP Goal:135
    Thx in regard.
     
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    Here you go!

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    You're on just the right track!

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    No I'm not going to do meth for you! ~f5

    But I will do the math for you, so I hope you appreciate me anyway. ~f2

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    Thank you very much. It's alot more expensive than i thought. dk why some people tell me making a shad is cheap when the washing already cost 13b lmao
     
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    Well, it’s expensive because you have a crazy high HP goal that you don’t really need. As a shadower, you already have Meso Guard which means you already have base level high tank ability. You can do Pink Bean without Hyper Body at 9200 HP for instance. o-o
     

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