HP Gain HP washing is a disgrace to the true OldSchool Maple community

Hp washing is just a luxury and for those who want to make the game easier for them. It should not go away. Nor is it a requirement. A large portion of the community still seems to think it is a requirement, but simply its not. A social norm is not a requirement and the status quo and culture will slowly be shifted with current hp gain methods and future additions as well.

Ever since the recent hp quest changes i have been preaching to new players to NOT wash and use mesos for better gear. The daily quest is pretty easy and enjoyable imo, and a goal of 10-12k hp at 175 is pretty casually done in 2-3 months without washing. I did it in 1 just to see how fast i could do it.

Its a 18 year old 2-D mushroom game. If someone calls you noob, defame them and just go on playing. Its not the end of the world nor does the majority of players thinks washing should go away forever.

For example. I have a friend that is just legitimately not good at video games at all. They washed a character to a fuckton of HP just so they could do bosses. Good for them, they chose easy mode. Theyre my friend and play the game that way, and i still love having them in boss run for the company and the fact theyre my friend. Even though they are washed, they could still be very shitty at general gameplay or be weak in terms of damage.

On the other side of the spectrum, i have a 12k hp corsair. The ONLY boss i require HB for is Toad. Yes, I auf haven with 12k hp. I use skill and teamwork to kill it. And that goes for every other boss in the game. sure you might die sometimes if you fuck up, but thats part of the game. Again for the people in the back, AT 12k HP, YOU CAN DO EVERY BOSS IN THE GAME. ONLY TOAD REQUIRES HB. And fuck toad, its a boring ass boss anyways.

It really only matters on how you want to play the game. If people shame you for playing hard mode. Tell them to go fuck themselves, respectfully. And remember when on the forums reading guides, recommended HP does NOT equal minimum HP.

To me, the core of maple is community. Its quite a shitty game, lots of crap mechanics, boring bosses, bugs, and unbalanced classes. But you WILL have fun playing it with friends. Fuck washing or not washing. To each their own. Just find some chill people to play with and then you will maybe find some nostalgia and like minded folk that hate washing as much as you do.

 

I'd like to add on to this as well, the other day a random player asked me for some advice regarding gear upgrade and I did give him advice, but what made me sad is the fact that he was trying so hard because randoms would usually reject him from joining boss parties due to the fact that he had "weaker" gear, and so my first advice for him was to join a guild that was actively bossing, since most guilds don't really care about their guildies' range and want to have fun and so that would make his bossing experience so much more better, and that consistent daily bossing + voting is already a good way to make Meso and steadily upgrade his gear.

 

I'll just say there is a huge bias of opinions found here.

The reason is, everyone who kept playing Royals for more than a few months are people who were willing to put up with the state of HP washing/Royals. So of course the playerbase provides an unrealistic view of the feature skewed towards accepting it is what it is.

If you asked a normal/average gamer, they would probably agree the meta of this server is ludicrous.

 

Yeah, those that are left? Are those that are willing to put up with it.
It's like Darwinism and we're left with are those that could tolerate it.

If there's a change from all of this? It should be changes that draw in more players that are looking for the nostalgic feel, usually early and mid game, with a solution that's not so late-game.
If it just stays with those that are left? The glaring flaws and holes become more apparent, specially with elitists that do take things too serious becoming more prominent.

 

You are just amazing at this game.

No one would claim they are number 1 if you say you are number 2.

When would your guide come out though? You said you were making one in December. I wanna know how I can make a 8k hp archer with just 70 APRs like you did in a month.

My apologies if you are still having your christmas dinner. Take your time.

 

Yes I avoid abusing any mechanic that would most likely be going against the terms of use contract, or just simply, I enjoy playing the game as the original developers intended and not what a greedy CEO forced them to implement.

You would have separate gear specific for bossing with more prioritization with DEF; then, you would have your other gear for general grinding and what not. I'd like to see your math on this showing DEF scrolls being worthless on every single piece of gear of ranging from godly DEF stats to mediocre, not much to find on it as the average person has just assumed that the original developers of the game would have wasted time making these scrolls and instead designed a system that involves manipulating their HP through pay 2 win items. The scrolls are obviously worthless for grinding against normal mobs, so there must be a greater purpose for them? The bosses would be killed slower, but survivability is the most important factor when fighting bosses; meanwhile, damage is best for grinding faster.

I didn't mean specifically this server is pay 2 win, but the items themselves are pay to win items in the old school Maple Story, thus my title for the thread. Once these items came out, the downfall of the game slowly approached to a slow painful death. Took a lot more courage for a warrior to be truly dexless because if he put one point into dex then he would never be able to get that point back, but with enough money, I can just put points in dex and get through the beginning phase when I miss everything and just simply reverse my dex points around... pay to win

 

9.5k hp*

Gave up. I just play with my group of friends for fun when I can. Why devote more time or effort to a game while the volunteers assigned to do the actual duties of game management just play a popularity contest, create drama, or just don't care anymore and quit? I rather just play for fun and do guild events with the homies.

I was just trying to get this new player to chill and see that whatever his experience was in-game isn't or at least shouldn't be the norm. That it's possible to play the way you want. His feedback is valid, just about every 2-3 weeks another person voices the same opinion on the forums. I'm just trying to do a small effort of providing him with a positive outlook and understand that there is avenues to take without conforming to the Mage/leech/HPwash meta. Why do you care what I do or don't do? How are you helping? why criticize me? do you love me? Would you like the OnlyFans link? I'll twerk for you daddy.

pretty sure @HPwashSucks mind is made up though. I tried. GL playing another server homie, the grass ain't greener on the other side.

 

nah you said 8k* hp then. You got to 8k hp in a month with just 70 APRs.

I wanna know how.

Since you gave up on making that guide, how about just telling us what boss gears you had that gave hp? at lvl 120 you would have less than 5 so it should be easy to name.

I received lots of pms in game and dms on forum telling me you were lying or full of shit but I have faith in the number 1 player which is yourself so im looking forward to you proving them wrong.

 

I appreciate your positivity and I never said other servers are better - I wouldn't be voicing my opinion if I didn't care. I did state my gratitude on the hard work the developers have provided to bring back a nostalgic experience which I hope didn't come across as sarcasm. Sadly, I became heartbroken to see this new norm of how the game is played which I must have quit before I saw this toxicity overgrew the game and community that was once great.

I'm just trying to plant a seed on the community of thinking this exploit deserves the title of "Old School Maple Story". One thing you got right, it will be less greener because there will be less players wearing a green bandanna to utilize the 10 slots for extra INT...After I found out about this tragedy, I have yet to see a player not exploiting it without extensive research, so if there is another choice, then it must not be a choice that is easier than spending billions on AP resets that shouldn't even be in the game in the first place.

 

Sorry homie. hope you can somehow enjoy the game. if not, thanks for the feedback. maybe someday it will change for the better? i have a feeling pretty soon, hint hint wink wink

 

I can respect your choices, though Royals' TOC is always available to read, and along with the plenty of guides and posts about HP washing, it's pretty clear to see that it's not against TOC.

As for the math regarding DEF, I'm not gonna lie, I'm too lazy to look up anything regarding formulas for DEF, let alone math it out myself. Instead, here's a video of a defense comparison between my MM and Paladin. Even with a 165 DEF difference, the damage is nearly identical. Yes, it can vary, but it's not a large enough difference to save you at end game bosses, unless you're on the cusp of getting one shot (and even then, RNG would play a huge role into whether or not you survive.)

Hopefully the link works.



Finally, I'm right with you on being anti-P2W. Current Maple is just a shit show of who has the deeper wallet. However, this mechanic has been a staple of Royals for a long time, and based on how most of the community feels the same way you do about P2W, they will HOPEFULLY never add some kind of cash grab simulator into Royals. Either way, I hope you can have some fun with this server, or at least have the experience you're looking for somewhere else.

 

Tbh I already knew you were lying from the time you posted on the thread.
The fact that you kept digressing, pushing excuses whenever you were asked for evidence only confirmed it for me.

If you preach so much about having fun on the game, heres some food for thought. Some people have fun on the game by not getting led on by falsehoods and lies. If you wanna exaggerate your achievements, do it on a topic that does not involve hp washing since this issue has been an argument many have had over the lifespan of this server.

Sadly, there isnt anyone here that would lock this thread to prevent you from being called out. Sen was too nice a person to let you get flamed on Christmas.
From the amount of dms I received I can tell this isnt the first time you were lying or exaggerating on issues so maybe dont do it next time.

Idk if the greatest punchline is the fact that you cant give evidence or the fact that you think making memes would make you sound more credible.

just sad really. pity.

 

Yeah, but are we violating the old school maple's TOC? The only thing that prevented this from being a bannable exploit was that it was their screw up of an item you purchased - too much gray area.

I'm starting to think this is what motivated the implementation of the big bang patch. You have a handful of players that have found a loophole and now have a crazy advantage over other players not spending thousands of dollars. How do we fix this? Make everything easy and everyone over powered.

If you agree p2w is no good, then how could you accept anything close to an item like AP resets? It was the first step to what turned maple into what it is today. I know that the community that enjoyed grinding 5-10% of exp an hour would have had no problem finding a strategy for these bosses other than what everyone seems to call the norm.

 

The beauty of a private server is the change of the TOC, as well as the accessibility to things locked behind paywalls, such as APRs.

Big Bang was highly unlikely to be the result of HP washing or other P2W things, as the P2W has gotten significantly worse since then. I guarantee more money was spent on miracle cubes than was ever spent on APRs in GMS.

I can accept APRs because they're literally free here. Sure, it might take some time to accumulate enough to wash if you're unfunded, but literally anyone can do it. If HP washing in this server somehow leads to Royals introducing actual P2W mechanics requiring it's players to PAY REAL MONEY in order to gain an advantage, I can assure you that most of the community would straight up quit without looking back, myself included.

 

i love royals.ms/forum there is always an abundance of pleasant and engaging discourse

 

Some points from Staff:
1. We will NEVER implement PAY2WIN features.
2. There are alternatives to HP washing with APR, which have already been pointed out. More ways to do so will be added in the future.
3. Friendly reminder to keep the conversation civil. It's one thing to press each other on claims and points of discussion, but we advise players to avoid being inciteful.

 

There seems to be a miss understanding of me accusing the server of being pay 2 win.

I am saying that the items were a pay 2 win item in the original old school Maple which is why they are a disgrace to be using them and claiming yourself to this illusion of being an old school maple server . I'm not saying that this will lead to the server becoming a pay 2 win game, I am simply saying these items were the beginning of the downfall of a beautiful game. The way the items are being used would have been classified as pay 2 win for the true old school community. Even when HP washing wasn’t a thing, the APR items were accused of being pay 2 win items.

If most have responded with the agreement of being disgusted with what Maple became, then how can one support the usage of the item that was the first step to the downfall of our childhood game that introduced us to this greedy world? This is equivalent to breaking up with a spouse because they drink too much liquor and then afterwards you start going to the bar yourself. The only reason I started going to that bar as well is because they advertised as having liquor free beer, but then I sadly found out I was being lied to after having too many drinks and started to really like the place.

I guarantee if another realm was added like Bera without any access to APR items, it’s community will surpass Scania as long as the advertising is clearly stated upfront of the differences.

 

I'm sure there are ways to avoid it and I'm sure more ways will be added in the future, but that doesn't help that I'm still surrounded by majority of players that are abusing the exploit and not playing the game how it was truly designed to deserve the title as "Old School".

The more I think about it, I don't think there is anyway to fix it other than another realm added without any access to APR items ever.

 

One thing to possibly help, which I'm sure the devs here are aware, is that currently we have 2 means to fix hp.

One early game and another late game.

Early game one is our famous HP Washing, which can be started as early as maple island.
Late game one is the Elixer of Life, which has to be done at level 120+.

First one can be done even without attending Royals every day, through voting, which can be built up. It's very popular for returning players and also can be purchased in mesos with APRs as an alternate quicker way (specially when you're pumped to play), adding another option/layer to it.
Second one, elixir of life, you have to be online every day for the bonus, which in the major MMO companies, you'll start to see it's a detriment practice companies will try to avoid.

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Personally, I'd say that if a third option to help HP is added? It should be one that can be done early in the game, perhaps at around 2nd job when starting players are more acclimated to the Royals server.

If possible, avoid the daily-small-gains approach. Psychologically speaking, this approach causes a feel to quit when you miss a single day, specially if you got no way to make up for that day lost. If it's a daily routine? daily is good when you have enthusiasm for the first month, but if it can build up to a weekly or even monthly thing later? Even better, just so long as we got an option, just like we do with voting. This one doesn't have to be just for the new method, perhaps an upgrade to the elixir of life too; perhaps after 30 daily initial returns, it starts to give the option to be able to do a 10-day one where you can bulk it in exchange of the quest being unavailable for 10 days (or 11 or 12 days to not be a complete bonus) after if done like this.