Whats wrong with item smegas? aren't they just same thing as when you people get special loot in Gacha or like any other smega, imo people don't spam enough smegas to the point where you need to turn it off. Might be a feature some would like though. I also think since people pay money for smegas in "real Maple" they didn't want to turn them off.
Because buddy, guild and alliance chat serve a different purpose as megaphones. You commit yourself to be friends with someone, or joining a guild. You actually choose to get those messages in the first place. You can't mute the 'To all' chat, can you? Where megaphones are a way to reach everyone on the server. Ideally, they should be purchased (for real currency) so having a way to turn it off would make them less valuable. Since they are not bought for real currency here, I felt ~togglesmegas is remotely justifiable, but since item megaphones are meant to have an in-your-face effect, I'm strongly against any form of ~togglesmegas item. It just beats the purpose.
There have been people who complained about smega spam, which is why we have ~togglesmegas. Imo, if we have this command it makes sense to have one to toggle item smegas, if implemented, for the same reasons. Your last point is very true, especially comparing real maple to a PS. Nexon wouldn't want people turning smegas off because it could lead to people buying them less. (Less likely to get your message seen, less likely to buy smegas.) Here we don't have to worry about that.
You are right about that, ohh i didn't know people had a problem with smega spam, i don't usually see it. Of course if you can turn off normal smegas then turning off item smegas should be no exception.
Actually GMS later had a feature where you could turn off all chat. I can't remember when this came out, but I remember using it religiously in the FM. And you don't get to choose all your guild members or your alliance unless you're a guild master. But even though you do get to choose all your BL that doesn't mean you won't want to mute it for a little while. I've had times when bl/guild got so spammy while I was doing something that I had to mute it. And many people mute those chats in boss runs. Being able to choose who's chatting has very little to do wanting to mute a certain chat. This is especially important to GMs who could be dealing with several important things at a time. If people are spamming smegas (item or otherwise) while you're whispering someone, talking to someone in all chat, and chatting someone you will lose your place. (And yes, this is a realistic situation, it happens all the time.) If you have smegas off then you can more easily scroll up to find the chat, but with them on you can and do lose chat. So from Kat's and Sila's point of view, being able to mute all smegas would be very important.
While I agree on this part, it's a different thing to make it a player command, or a Staff command. I can see their point of view, but that doesn't mean it's similar in a player perspective. Then this is probably the main problem. Super megaphones are too common, not saying there should be changed something about the current system. But I just wanted to ring a bell before something was changed/thought about item megaphones. Once something has been implement, it's very difficult to change it at a later stage. That's all. Note: I will almost always argue for fewer player commands. Simply because I think it's absurd to have commands. I think ~help (which gives some FAQ NPC) and ~gm are the only truely needed commands. ~buyback is a luxuary command, but I don't see a way other than a command here. Most others can be replaced by an NPC. Even the ~joinevent could be relocated to the Maple Admin in any town (as she is the head of events). Commands like ~togglesmegas, ~messages could ideally be bundled in a command like ~settings which opens an NPC that actually explains the use of the commands more probably. ~str/dex/int/luk are basically redudant with the tubi client (and low rate server). ~rates could be in ~help. ~donator seems like a nice compromisve to keep the FM clean of custom NPCs, so I'm personally in favor of this (even though maybe a new hair saloon could be added, with a portal in FM?). ~shiphp and ~bosshop (including ~uptime) just serve as a lazy commands for bossers, I've never liked those in any server. ~mapowner is a useful command, I've always been in favor of keeping it for Staff only. Might've been wrong about that, but maybe it could be renamed to ~map so it sounds less possesive (looks like you can own and sell a map now). In short, think before adding just an other command. Also, remove ~storage from the current help screen (comment out commands.put("help", ...) in PlayerCommand.java, or remove completely).
As I'm on my phone I'll just reply to the whole thing since splitting it up is overly difficult. (Something was actually done about smegas other than ~togglesmegas, just for the record.) If you understand their viewpoint why not suggest it as a staff only command in the first place? Rather than shoot down the idea completely. Personally I don't mind either way, as I have no strong opinion on adding item smegas, but I can see how other people would want to mute item smegas. And, as I see it, if we have ~togglesmegas we might as well have ~togglesmegas item for continuity. Yes, I remember how against player comands you are, and I totally understand that. I think a ~settings that would combine multiple commands is a great idea, or just put them into an NPC. I think ~joinevent is necessary, as people could be far away from an NPC or no know where Maple Admin is in a given town. And I agree with complete removal of ~storage. But we've gotten a bit off topic with this.
I didn't know this was the place where we suggest Staff commands. Last time I did a suggestion about those I got told off. As I've said in the first reply on the thread, I'm against item megaphones being introduced. But seeing the responses here it tends to be more in favor of adding the item, I've made a response on the commands that seem to come along the package. So, even though this seems off topic, it's very related.
I was talking about the short discussion of commands in general, which was off topic. Not a ~togglesmegas item, which is on topic. The other commands have no barring on this thread. As for making it a staff only command, if it is decided that item smegas are implemented I will personally make sure we discuss making ~togglesmegas item either a staff only or public command. But for now let's keep the discussion about whether or not we should implement item smegas for use by the public.
Last off topic reply related to the commands, but I think the process of potentially adding it would be faster if this is already discussed. Even though it might be a waste of effort if item megaphones were not introduced. Just looked like you missed this post by John, Rob. It has already been implemented (I think, because we had a SC earlier, but no announcement?) and that's what concerns me. When I fixed the item megaphone, it was (given) shortly discussed that those messages would not have a toggle. But now John literally jumps in the source and changes this, looks like a missed opportunity to me.
Ah I must have missed it. The SC was mostly to try to fix some lag issues that had been popping up, but there's always other stuff that goes into every sc, as you know better than I. As I don't remember and wasn't involved with the original decision on item smegas I can't really comment on it. But I will say that sometimes circumstances change, especially since you can't plan for everything.
Uhm, I wonder how this would interfere with the notifications about items from gachapon and regular smegas. I think the color should be different so people can tell the difference between a item smega and the regular smega/item gach-popup thingy so they know which is which and what they want to look at. Also support the idea of "~toogleoff smega item".
Chances are, people aren't going to be using their Item Smegas on clean equipment like Gachapon displays. Whether it's the same color or not, I don't mind it at all.
Wouldn't it make people confuse with normal smega then? I mean what's the point of it if it doesn't stand out? You wasting money on something you want to show to everyone but not everyone is noticing it as much as you wanted it to. That 12 w.att PGC would be easier to sell/showoff if the item smega had a different color. Also people won't waste extra money for the item smega on things that aren't worth that much or worthy of showing off, they'll probably just sell them thru normal smega anyways.
Not sure how it can confuse it with a normal Smega because there's clearly an item attached to it. You're wasting your money regardless if you're going to make a sale or not. I look at all the Gachapon Smegas if the item interests me in the slightest and I can pretty safety say that many others do as well regardless whether it's good or not. If people don't decide to spend money on the Item Smegas, more power to them. Less spam on the chat without having to completely dismiss the option for having Item Smegas.
Might as well just write the details about the item on a normal smega. Just as many people will watch it, hence why you want the items smega to stand out a bit. Making it give a better "look here what I have to showoff" effect. It will be more worth the investment, easier to sell and better serve the purpose of showing off and easier for people not to confuse it with regular smega especially where many people smega at the same time it will make it harder to see your smega. Even if you can see there's a link to your item making it stand out more the color around the smega is still the same. It still won't stand out enough.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Whether the investment is worth obtaining an Item Smega is subjective. It may not stand out for some people, but I can guarantee a good amount of people will look at those items just for curiosity's sake.
You are saying no to the idea, but you've yet to come up with an argument as to why you shouldn't change it's color while I have given @Plenty of arguments as to why you should.
I don't mind if the color is the same or not. I'm saying whether the color is the same as other Smegas will not change the fact that people will look at the item regardless.
