Ok. Pretty much like all my post, i have been planing to make this thread for a few weeks and elaborate it propely.Find out myself with pretty much no progression on this. so i just tought, JUST DO IT. Well, i think most experienced players knows how, plenty of ppl in this server have several ways to make profits with this game, with no concern on how detrimental it is for the game economy and how it affect to players a invest tons of time legitimaly. So i would like to aboard one of this ways, and try to make it a little harder for them. Now i can see comments coming like: "This is just a temporary solution" "this is putting a band aid to a serious cut" etc etc. and thats true, but, at least personally i would like to see these ppl annoyed by this, maybe some of them get tired and leaves...who knows?. Ok, what exactly am i talking about?.- I preffer to not have to explain "The metod" in detail since this post may be readed by some newbies who get curious and try it, but when you hear my proposal most of you will know what im talking about SUGGESTION.- Lets make that accounts have limit in the amount of nx they can get by voting depending on their lvls. Originally i was planing to propose to raise the lvl to trade ap resets over 120, but then i remebered how useful they were for me when i was low lvl, and despite any move in this matter could be detrimental for the economy of low lvl players, i really think its an small price to pay for a bigger good. To summerize my proposals are: LVL50 or less accounts can have a limit of 120k of nx(aprx 15 days of voting) after that and regardless of if they used all the nx or not, every vote will not give them any nx. from LVL51 to 70 the limit will be raised till 240knx 71-100 360k nx 101-120 520k nx and from 120 onwards make them limitless as they are today. This shoudl be plenty enough nx to. buy their pets and equips/choose a style/buy aprs/gacha to fund them enough to play confortably. Il pre answer a few questions.- A.- what if im a player who lacks of time to keep playing , but wanted to keep voting and return with fundings enough to *insert whatever they want to buy with the nx obtained* a.-If you are a legit player then the amounts mentioned above should be enough to cover your needs, come back after a long perioid of time and find out that you have a really low lvl account with LOTS of fundings is going to be detriemntal for your experience since, getting funds is one of the main reasons we play the game(i still rmeber back in my 1st year some guy that asked to remove the votexnx system, bcs he voted for 5 years and came back with a lvl 70 account and over 70b worth on nx, and by that i have heard the dumb "votetowin" term a lot of times), if youre not a legit player then pls GTFO) B.- what if im a palyer who likes to have several styles of nx, i wont be able to buy all my costumes?.- b.- Just lvl LOL. 2nd suggestion.- Let APrs be traded in large stacks and lock them to be droped. Pretty simple. This is all for now, i think i haved a few more ideas,but i just forgot for now, will be implemented if i remeber them. Lemme know what you think.
God no. Stop hurting legitimate players to just give a slight speedbump to all the hackers and real world traders. This gets a hard no from me
I agree with this part. But the level restriction won't stop them from abusing since they can easily bypass it
I don't see how it's a good idea? I had some periods when I had long times when I didn't play much and got a lot of NX (like now I have something like 2m NX on my Paladin), and although my characters are mostly high level there can be cases where you were still kinda low level (like lvl 100 or so) but still have a lot of NX after not playing much. Also it doesn't really combat RWTers at all, they have things like WS/CS/equips rather than pure NX cash from voting. It can only combat vote abusers, but since they already have many characters they are voting on, I don't think it will affect them that much. For the second idea I also don't see how it will help, I guess the trades could be traced more easily but drop trading hundreds of APRs is still suspicious anyway.
Pls, lets just chill and debate about this, cant ask ME , to "stop hurting" since if this idea was actually detrimental to us, this would be " my 1st time" 2nd.- hackers can only be solved with autoban, but i can foresee vote abusers can still do their bussines freely even with a fully functional autoban system, this is in idea to target them.. 3rd.- can you enlight me in ,how can be this detrimental to legit players? Well, it seem to be temporarily worked with ulu/skeles, also my targets are heavy vote abusers now, it wouldnt be a big hint if you suddenly see a certain accounts that stayed at lvl 50 for months, suddenly playing again to 120?...lvl 50 is easy...120...not so much for 10-15accounts Like i stated theres several rwt methods, im just targeting one of them, the one that concerns me the most since its the one whos is not going to be targeted by autoban. Ok, in your case(and most of us honestly) is you just have to choose wich account you want to vote(remember that we are only allowed to vote with just one of them) why do i have to choose the lower lvl account to save the nx??? Theres no reason to want that exact account to save over 500k, if you have plenty of lvl 120+... Guys i consider myself more m casual than a pro/dedicated player, and i was even more casual when i started, took me like 3 months to get to 120....and even thinking in myself, i cant see how this is gping to be actually detrimental to legit players except for those who, for some reason stoped at lvl 50-110(so they dont really care to play that much) but at the same time do not forget to vote every single day.....is like....whaaaat?? Can we even call them players?.... Now, the amounts are not static, can be less, can be more, i will like to receive feedback possitive or negative, but please, dont just say no, give arguments, and remeber, the fact that you can do something really quick, doesnt means that ALL OF US CAN( like when ppl day how easy is to make money and at the same time make sed/SE/SI/ETC,ETC mules,believe or not the fact that you can make 10 lvl 130+ accs in 1 month, doesnt make it easy per se)
sorry for reply this again, after re-reading i have to ask....what??! cant follow your logic...they obvisouly dont sell the pure nx, they use it to buy aprs or gacha, thats were they get those cs/ws/equips, cutting they infinite source of nx, hows that "not combat rwt at all"???? NX=CS/WS/APR, no nx=no cs/ws/apr. Probably you hasnt seem them, but i have seen ppl offering any of these items, they just sell the aprs and then buy to sell...
"can you enlight me in ,how can be this detrimental to legit players?" Sure thing, your suggestion hurts two groups heavily: islanders and perma beginners. In these two playstyles, its far harder to reach higher levels (unless you leech your beginner, and to that i say lol why?). I don't want to have a cap on the nx i can get on my beginner, and especially not for such a bad solution. You also hurt the income of slower players, or players that are preping a washing character which is waiting for event items. Is this all worth it just so we can force a vote abuser to recreate/lvl up their bot voting mules once every few months? I don't think so.
OK, First, lemme thank you for bringing an explanation to your position, this actually something that i havent considered, and a real reason to be against this, nevertheless, i have to ask the following, why does an inslander/perma begginer needs huge loads of nx? whats the amount of players that actually enjoy that style ,and JUST have those, and do not own other accounts were they can get their nx freely?. More on a personal note do you have a real use for your daily nx on your perma beggin/islander, or its just a matter of "i do not want limits, its a free world, if you can i have it, i want to have it too, despite im not actually using it"?. In slower players matter, personally i consider myself one of them, and im aware on how hard this could hurt them. I joined this server just to enjoy some content that i missed much, i was working soemwhere with a very bad internet conection, and just 1-2 hours a day. i grinded and pqed(b4 cpq, wich i hate) all my way from 1 to 108(where i started leeching) it was 3-4 months till i was 4th job..nx helped me a lot, but even back then i always tought that game progression should never be mainly obatained by something that is not playing, and feelt like too ez, when it was easier to just gacha rather than, find out methods to make money and be able to afford my leech, on avery personal note, players legit or not, should not make any progress if they barely played a few hours, and suddenly are not progressing at all, they just come, inject a big influx of nx related items to server and go, because they do not care fot the server(Dsiclaimer. this does not include ppl who, for example have good lvl aacounts, invested time to the server and have been forced to stop playing for some reason, i think its fair they make little progress by voting) but this last lines are just my personal point of view, i can totally understand if it was actually fair seen from other eyes. and last, and im gonna include reply to this: im aware that its not a permanet or total solution, but, have you consider it, how this would stop these guys down? IM shure you havent see pic of ppl claiming they make 900 aprs per week, they dont play AT ALL, just vote. They now will have to do that process,over and over and over again, adding the word "just" makes it see to easy, i dare you to lvl 20 accounts to lvl 50 every 2 weeks and not get tired of it(ot at a very least reduce the amount of ilegal items introduced to the market by 20%) OFC, again,i can be wrong, and probably the amounts are not right, but, i would actually like to someone prove me wrong witouth a doubt.....
Lol is that a challenge? Do I get a reward? I'll get to lvl 50 on 50 accounts in a week if you give me a nice prize. Kidding aside. Its an utterly pointless recommendation and I feel bad you're typing so much to argue it. Ima just head out.
I honestly don't think its a very effective suggestion for 2 simple reasons @Relmy 1. you are focusing on a RWT method that's probably one of the least common 2. I don't believe they use a single account to do that, but instead vote abuse on hundreds of them - so your limit should be set much lower in this case which will surely hurt legitimate players. this gets a no from me sadly, good intentions tho.
Due to my beginner being an ironman, yea, i need the nx to gacha, which is the only way for me to get any stronger, area bosses can't cover all my nx needs. I also had a friend that joined this server to only play a beginner and nothing else. Someone like that don't deserve to be forced to make a normal chara and bring it to 4th just so he can vote. Islanders should be able to change their looks without needing to make an islander mule to vote on once they run out of voting rights. Pet food, changing pets, making pet equips. They have use for nx. And im still not even slightly convinced that this suggestion will affect the massive vote abusers
No, is not a challenge,i phrased it poorly,also argue, and redact a text is not bad per se, so dont feel bad, its not " a lot of effort" despite some kids make it look like that...
Not bad ideas, definitely better than the doing nothing at all against RWTers/Vote abusers other than a single admin who can view the logs strategy that Royals currently has. Also arguing that "It's not going to stop RWTers/Vote Abusers completely so why bother" < is just utterly dumb because no matter what you do you can't stop abuses from happening. the goal is to put obstacles in their way, and even auto ban won't be able stop every hacker.
I mean I thought you are talking about RWT buyers, if you're talking about the sellers then it's about the vote abusers and they have hundreds of chars anyway so this limit wont really do much to them. Also there are some situations where you'd want the NX on a lower level char, for example if you are aiming to get some untradable items from gacha on that specific character (like the maple leaf nose)
i feel like they would just hack to 120. I don't think it would be that effective. I would just make AP resets and other useful things untradeable and undroppable, maybe add some quest or something for high lvls to get some for wash or other shit. Just make NX worthless for direct meso trading. imo
Despite i did not want to give details about the method im refering to, it seems that i have to, to clarify why do i am making this suggestions. RWT has several methods, theres probably a lot wich i probably dont know, but i do have seen 3: 1.-Hackers that sell what they get ingame(probably the biggest amount) 2.-Heavy vote abusers that use different IPs to vote(this is what im refering to) 3.- People who play the game legitimaly, but decide to sell their assets that way(probably the smallest amount) what im talking about is the 2nd, why do am i doing this thread to start with?.- In a certain group i have seen 3 ppl who make over 2000 aprs weekly, and sell them for real life currency, ofc they know how to hide, its not just report them, they dont even play the game, just have made several lvl 50 accounts and keep voting in all of them to make their bussines. Here im not taking about the buyers, i do not know how to deal with such dumbness. im talking about these kind of people, the sellers. If just 3 ppl can make that amount of aprs, can you imagine the total amount that is being injected in the game daily?, and you can have an idea, i guess the total amount of players is between 3 to 5k players and there is(according to gtop100) 8k votes daily for our server. Again, im not trying to defend my arguments because i am absolutely shure that im right,no, i have the door open to be wrong, but if i am, i want to sincerely know why i am, and if i found an argument that doesnt make sense to me, i preffer to reply and have a debate about it. Lets just rmeber that all of this is a friendly discussion because we are on the same team(at least i hope) My main goal is not stop them, imo thats almost impossible, and the only way that comes to my mind that could stop them at all, is extremely detrimental for all the players and the game itself, so its a price TO BIG to pay. Lemme explain in detail the following: You need to have lvl 50 to actually use the nx you obtain. So, its not "just get to the cap and make another account" you have to lvl them, these guys use ALL OF THEIR HUNDRED ACCOUNTS DAILY, so if they have a limit, we are forcing them to either lvl those or make new ones AND LVL THEM TO LVL 50 AGAIN, and again, and again, and again. They just gonna hack to lvl them?: This is good for 2 reasons: 1st.- If we force them to play/hack theres a bigger chance to caught them by that 2nd.-Even if we dont caught them lvling, isnt going to be suspicious that accounts stayed at lvl 50 for months, suddenly want to lvl to 120 and stay there?. so what if they just trow their old accounts and make new ones?.COOL! recreate accounts AND LVL THEM TO LVL 50 AGAIN, if they haved 100 acounts and cant make 100 new ones, and just make 50, we are cutting the nx influx by 50%, and they have to do taht week after week after week after week, my goal is not stop them, its make them work harder, its trowing sand to their underpants and pepper to their eyes, its make them being sick of doing the same thing over and over, and hope some of them say : "this is not worth it". Thank you @Donn1e , this is waht im expecting as an answer argumnts of why one does not agree. That being said, it would scare me the most if your point 1 is true, over 30m daily ilegal nx influx, is substancial and if its one of the least comon, dear god. as a defender of "personal experience is not proof of actual reality" i wont say this is not true, but personally this is method i have seen most times, vote abusers taht sell aprs, or sell them to buy whatever their rwt buyer is asking for. On top of that, is just because they use tons of accounts that this seems like a good idea, my goal is make them useless, unless they play them, wich is a method to make them more "detectable" , they dont use a few of them daily, they use all aff them daily, so we are making them either make new ones contantly or lvl their currents, wich is my goal, not to stop them, because idk how, is to grab their balls a bit.still im not on board to hurt ppl who play slower, so,its true taht is somethiong to consider. ok. this is actually some ppl getting affected by a limitation challengers like ironman, and all the xman outhere. not counting islanders because, i mean theres an amount that is more than enough to have all they need, unless they want to change their outfit every 2 days wich is.....you know. I jsut stated how this wil actually affect them, once more, not stop them, just make their lifes harder. No, nothing to with buyers. and yes, they have many accounts, and still be able to make loads of nx, but now they will have a limit because is either lvl your vote abuse mule, or it remains useless, wich make them more trackable.Also yes, low lvl accounts need nx,but, half a million? for what?, my suggestion is not to cut their nx income, is to limit them and hopefully drain life time of abusers, or make some vote abuse mules useless, and force them to make more. Probably, but note that, not all vote abusers hack, and those who are hackers have to hack now to 120 intead of to 50, wich is gonna increase the chance to caught them.and your suggestion is actually helpfull to kill rwters, but the impact for the entire economy, and the game itself is too big after so many years, so i wouldnt be much on board with it.
I'm for this, but more because I feel becoming a billionaire just by solving a captcha every day for a month is silly. Of course you'll make much more with active play, but that doesn't change the fact you can theoretically fund yourself without even having to log into the game past level 50. If it helps to curb RWT at the same time, all the better That being said, there's a massive elephant in the room. Would the GMs/Admins even want to implement a change that would (theoretically) lead to less votes on Gtop100? Some legit players on a Maple break would make the effort to log in every couple of weeks to empty out their NX balance and continue voting, but how many would be too indifferent and choose to simply drop the game, declaring it more trouble than it's worth? The only reason I found this server was because it was at the top of the vote charts. If Royals lost their top spot, how much would RP purchases shrink by?
I wouldnt care if it fucked up the economy hard, making nx useless for meso gain would fix a lot of things in the long run.
We are definetely nt in the same page then, despite you might be true, i hardly doubt tjere theres gonna be "a long run" if something like that happens...
