Long term ban instead of permanent ban

Yes So I want know his vote history

Can I? Or he need to do that by himself

*the island question not talked how big how serious will be ban

 

No they not give the vote history log in that thread.

 

okay fine I will not ask for that in there thanks for your notice.

 

And you can take more think about What I want to say.

 

Can we return to ilyssia's thread he said the point really clearly.

 

Can you Staff the guy who edits the HTML website just add this warning so next ban appeals doesn't come with bullshit like "I didn't know vote abuse was bannable"

 

In Muff's words "it does not matter the amount of perceived gain".

Somehow that matters when it comes to vote abuse but not for other rules.

Let's not forget about this too.

 

When you haven't voted yet in the current 24-hour reset period, you get the following prompt:


When you have voted already during the reset period, you get this:


You have to very intentionally click 'Vote For NX' again and type in a completely different account name in order to double/triple+ vote in one 24-hour reset period.

I have my own issues with how voting works in Royals, but making excuses for people who are clearly going out of their way to game the system and then blatantly lying about it and wasting staff's time in ban appeals does not sit right with me.

This isn't a 1:1 analogy. The ban appeal that you're referring to is about someone who created a macro bot to increase their pet's closeness while they were sleeping. Vote abuse and macro botting are very, very different as creating a macro bot is 100% intentional and therefore "does not matter the amount of perceived gain". Vote abuse is different because there are times where an unsuspecting individual might actually accidentally double vote on a random day. The difference is that with voting, there is reasonable doubt that the double vote could be unintentional as it could just be once in an entire player's time on the game. A lot of these major vote abuse bans are bans that pass a certain threshold that staff deems as "major", and most likely, are blatantly obvious that the player is vote abusing intentionally (voting on 2-3 accounts daily for weeks/months). Trying to use that ban appeal as an example of perceived unfairness and lack of consistency among rules is plain wrong, as macro botting and vote abuse are completely different breaches of T&C.

 

It is 99% likely that people will read the "you will be banned if you vote abuse" warning, on the very voting website, as opposed to leaving a link expecting them to read the entire rules sooner or later. Link btw, that no one is going to click until they realize they got banned, they get bored, or a server check is going on or they just click it out of curiosity/boredom.

Adding "Voting more than once a day is considered vote abuse which is considered a bannable offense" on the website will be surely be read, even if they don't have the intention to read the whole thing, you will most likely read it anyways because it's clearly on your field of view just below the username input to vote. Unless you are partially blind and suffer from severe eye myopia, the red text is readable and it would be good to warn players about the consequences of vote abusing on the same voting website, and also, because why not? I see no reason to NOT add one extra informative layer of text.


Also it could be added on this text when you already voted today. Serves as complementary text and additional warning for those who may "forget" it sometimes.

Again, it's not a solution to "persistent vote abusers", but more like a warning for those who are lazy like me and don't read the rules, or new players that recently joined to server and if they instantly see the consequence of vote abusing, this can save them from accidentally vote abusing. Think of the unaware players who vote, you put a permanent ban warning on the voting website and they'll be 200% more careful on not to vote abuse.

 

Hi, here are some questions I want to ask. Can you please give a reasonable explanation to these questions?

1. In someone's previous ban appeal, he vote abuse for many accounts for a long time. And he made a confession on the forum before he was caught.
The result of this ban appeal is a temporary ban (14 days) instead of permanent ban just because GM felt his honesty.
Can you tell me how mapleroyal's team distinguish if he did this vote abuse on purpose or not?
In many previous vote abuse ban appeals everyone told GM what happened but GM kept answering "you voted too many times so I will give you a permanent ban, no excuse"

So I want to ask:
If player A vote abuse for a long time and haven't been caught by the system or GM, if he can make a confession on forum and get a temporary ban instead of permanent ban?
If so, can he get an advantage from vote abuse and sell the APRS bought by the NX from voting abuse?


2. What's is the clear difference between minor vote abuse and major vote abuse?
From T&C rules:

Punishment: First offense - 14 day ban, Second offense - Permanent ban.

Vote Abuse - The act of attempting to, or successfully, bypassing the restrictions of voting no more than once per 24 hours. Please be aware that, in cases of severe abuse as per discretion of Staff, we reserve the right to respond with a permanent ban regardless of if it is your first offense.

If GM keeps the right to give a permanent ban, what's the significance for first offense and second offense?


3. If someone vote abuse and and finally was given a 14 days ban as a punishment, will his NX gained from vote abuse be recycled by the system or just remain in his inventory?


Can any GM give me reasonable answers to these questions? thanks a lot.

 

Ok id just like to put out, i dont even use the mapleroyals site when i vote. I type gtop in my url and it auto suggests the vote site, so i dont even see those messages.

But im a casual pleb that votes like 2-3 times a week on a good week.

I do think though that a person who got perma'd for anything other than RWT/hacking should be able to start a fresh account (maybe after a certain time like 3 months, 6 months or whatever)

So yeah, even if we assume the worse, thathe vote abused maliciously for an advantage, if he starts a fresh account, he is a blank slate. No unfair advantage here.

 

No, this is just not good reasoning.

Sure one is intentional and the other may or may not.

It doesn't get away from the fact that macrobotting with a pet for closeness is objectively less harmful by a considerable margin than just about every other infraction in the game.

Referring back to the ToC and saying how they're different breaches is wholly irrelevant.

The point is the punishment and how these punishments impact the server, not the damn details of the ToC. If it weren't for the rules, can you honestly sit there in good faith and say that person should be permabanned over someone who vote abuses, over someone who is rude or harassed people?

The logical, reasonable reaction would be to issue a warning to that person to stop macrobotting with a pet, not outright permabanning them as if they were a horrible RWTer or hacker.

You can not get away from the fact that permabanning that person literally got rid of one person from the server, forever, over the tiniest unimportant thing. And that kind of attitude is literally what drives people and their friends away. A good number of people play Royals because a friend introduced them, and you just permaban one over something so tiny you then potentially lose more than one person with how these punishments are administered. And the more this attitude is defended the more UNFRIENDLY it is to casual people that they'd want to stay away from Royals with a 10 foot pole.

Also shoutout to the person who requested a permanent self ban, changed his mind some time later, appealed and got denied. Another example of Royals pointlessly killing their own playerbase. Pretending that unnecessarily harsh punishmemts over tiny things doesn't exist and doesn't kill the playerbase is delusional.

 

Try to use gtop100 website directly you will find that is completely work to double vote in that system>> phone voter or just add that website to favorite voter can do that easily you can try

and can we get back to the article?

 

Hi, thanks for your answers.

But as same as some players voting abuse for many accounts in 1 day, why can this player just receive a temporary ban?
They all did the same things. But their result of ban appeals is not absolutely the same.
Most of them are permanently banned.
And some of them are temporarily banned.(14 days)

It doesn't make sense, can you give me some detailed explanations about this situation?

And why can't the system catch vote abusers immediately instead give them time to spend their NX?
I think your answer "because they have spent their NX already, so we can't deal with this situation" doesn't make sense.

 

This is exactly what happened to me (minus the vote abuse/RWT). I got to the point in the server where I had to sell leeches to get mesos. The thing that also bothered me is finding the maps to leech as well, and in some cases PAY for a training map. I personally don't want to come from my full time job IRL, to leeching for like 4 hours for a few hundred mil mesos. I can't even make an attacker without investing into int gear, and leeches for the first 100 levels. Early game content is my favourite, but in this server if you want to do end game content, you essentially need to skip early game. The voting system incentivizes vote abuse, as it is such an easy way to make money.

Although people might not like it, the best way to stop vote abuse, is to make hp washing obsolete, or gained by some other means (more than just the hp quests) and by getting gach tickets another way (maybe something like PQing/killing bosses). But as of now it's just so incentivizing to vote abuse.

 

Let's put these details aside for the time being.

May I ask GMs what you Guys think of my proposal to replace the permanent prohibition with a long-term prohibition.

I want to know what you think.