Make AP resets untradeable and for sale by FM merchant for 10m each.

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    How about everyone gets a slight decrease and I get a large increase, cumulative from everyone elses' decreases.
     
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    There should be a poll for threads like this. I'm curious about what more people would think about these issues, especially since I usually see the same small group of people repeating the same complaints.
     
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    I do dislike that virtually all new players are able to make a ton of money by doing nothing, and therefore bypassing the large part of the game that is grinding to build up your own wealth. Also, AP resets from an NPC would make a nice meso sink, as has been mentioned before.
     
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    They're nothing alike apart from the name. One is essential for survival, one is for fixing mistakes. Imo, SP Resets should remain expensive. Not our fault people decided not to do a bit of research despite everything that's given to them.
     
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    Wait, so everyone is complaining about it and all, but what about the new player that starts the server? How would they make money. I'm pretty sure all of you have been on this server long enough and maybe ( or maybe not) have sold ap resets. So that would make this unfair to the new people that starts and migrates to this server. They would need a source of income as well. I know what you are saying about how people are just doing it now and doing nothing to get money, but in all honestly, it wouldn't be fair. Most people already got to explore this feature of the game and make money like this in some type of way or form and this would only be hurting the new players that are starting to play the game because they wouldn't have the same opportunity that we had when we started here. EQUALITY FOR ALL~
     
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    I think this proposal kills two birds with one stone.

    1) the creation of a meso sink.
    2) it will somewhat address another problem that people have been bringing up. The inflation of end game chaosed/ws'ed gear. Less reset/tele Rock sellers would naturally result in more gach runs. This in turn would increase the amount of chaos and ws being obtained by the user base and going into the in game economy.
     
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    When I read this kind of threads I wonder why are people saying that super godly capes or shoes are way too common. There's only like three (or less) 20+ ATT capes in the whole server and 15+ ATT shoes are not common at all either. I do agree with you that making AP resets available from an NPC would remove the biggest NX sink there is atm besides gach tickets ofc (because let's be honest, not only meso sinks are important) and would make people just gach way more.
     
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    I've never sold an AP reset. It wasn't too difficult to make starting money with meso/drop rates. All the equips can be NPC'ed for millions.
     
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    i have never sold any AP-Resets so i dont agree that its bad for the "new people".
    its quite "easy" to get some mesos to be able to play and get reasonable equips and pots.

    so its quite odd that some believes that you need to start the game with selling ap-resets to play this game.
     
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    Lmao. Yeah. Pretty much what I was saying yesterday, but I like your bluntness.
    Royals will be an Old Boy's club with non-NX gach tix.
     
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    I think selling AP resets from FM is a great idea, but as already said if there isn't an NX sink there will be other problems that would likely be much harder to solve than too much mesos.
     
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    Cut the NX down to 6k per vote, or maybe even 4k per vote. 56k a week was already too high IMO
     
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    I think there are more fun ways of making people spend NX instead of sad ways.
     
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    This suggestion is making a net positive for the economy. Less mesos in circulation will lower prices possibly for items because mesos will become more valuable. If new players want to make money, there are resources that explain to them how to make money at a very early level. Voting should already be incentivized because of newer players wanting cosmetics and pets, not to mention Gachapon tickets give even more money than AP Resets and a big reason for newer players to grind out those levels in the beginning rather than relying on a fixed method of income.
     
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    I think, if we're going to change the gachapon system, atleast make gachapon tickets rare monster drops, not a boss drop. The chance to get awful rewards from Gachapon is already high, no need to make it that hard.

    As for the AP reset idea, I like that one!
     
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    so, if the problem is NX>Mesos (ap-resets or tickets or whatever).
    why not make CS a cosmetic/pets/mount only place,untradeable items.
    all the NX we get will not "in any way" be possible to exchange for mesos.

    we have NPC that sells smegas now, so to have it sell AP-Resets with solve a bit, but we still have tickets.
    before we got smegas drops (randomly) and i "really" liked it.
    why not make tickets drops (randomly). i would love that too. and remove tickets and ap-resets from CS.
     
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    Money sinks are in every single MMO that has been successful. The evidence is everywhere.
    Are you saying higher level players don't vote? If so, you are mistaken
    Because Gachapon is one of the only ways to keep items in balance. If you could obtain all the extremely rare items from Gachapon by easily crafting them, then this server would be much easier than it already is. Adding a luck based reward is healthier than getting something simple and worth a set amount. Unless there's a plan on expanding rare item attainability, Gachapon is the best solution for rare and exclusive items.
     
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    Yes, I agree with whats been said that the NX that would be diverted away from people selling AP resets, would go staright to gach, And if we don't want to an overhaul of how gachapon tickets are obtained, the easiest way would be reduced amount of NX per day for voting, don't see any other way around it.

    On the bright side, gach keeps people coming back, I myself would have forgotten about this server long ago if I didn't periodically get an itch to gach my brains out.

    On a side note, a balancing of gachapons would be nice if all the attention from AP resets goes to gach, there are really only 3 places people gach at. Not sure how that could be done though.
     
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    I'm willing to bet it's the case 99/100 times.
    No, because they don't produce things of value. If someone decided to spend 20 billion on AP Resets, it's a net positive to the economy because we'll never see that 20 billion ever. If that were to be spent on Gachapon tickets, not only will rare items take a huge nose dive, the game will become extremely easy and offset many players.
     
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    Mostly my NX is spent towards gachapon and if AP resets were sold in FM I would continue to gach.

    The problem is if you limit new players income it might discourage them to play or force them to sell Safety Charms or gach.
    If all that NX spent on AP resets would have been put towards gach it would be pretty bad.

    You can get mesos out of circulation but getting items out is much harder, putting AP resets in FM is not an easy thing to do, could have really bad side effects.
     

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