Maybe we are. You also have to remember that we're still very early into this 2 month-long event. Candles will only get cheaper. If chaos scrolls were available to buy with candles, then the chaos scroll would pretty much be the only deciding factor in candle prices after about a week or 2 (if that).
Completely moot because allowing White Scrolls to be gached does nothing but help the server in the same way chaos scrolls do. IMO, if they become droppable, they should be something that you get by complete luck, not something you should be able to expect as a drop, even in a days worth of farming (we're talking 1/100,000). That said, I'm not against them allowing it to drop at a small rate (1/100) from something like zak. You can't farm the bosses like you can regular mobs.
These scrolls went up in price for two main reasons: (a) no character creation meant that the pool of people using gacha for items was limited to those who stayed over the last few months, keeping fewer scrolls in circulation and (b) people spending all of their time grinding because they couldn't sell things in FMs or do some of the higher end bosses like HT. This led to people accumulating tons of mesos without having the ability to spend them on anything significant. Both of those conditions meant that powerful players had more money than their banks could hold (2.1b) and they started buying up chaos scrolls to use as securities. It's a lot easier to hold 10b worth of chaos scrolls than it is to divide 10b up across five characters (and, with no creation, that meant that people without multiple accounts pre-sauce couldn't even use this option). Scrolls also have the added bonus of being traded without being taxed. With creation back, we'll have more users buying and selling things which will make chaos scrolls less valuable over the long term. You'll see people who used to want 450m for one let it go for 425m worth of goods and it'll keep eroding until it stabilizes at the past price of around 340m. Also, with more users gaching, you'll see more chaos scrolls circulated and that'll drive their prices down. Prices will hit a balance between availability and consumption (people will want to use them to make godly items for their new characters now that registration is back) and they'll stabilize in the coming months. Short-term prospectus: sell chaos scrolls while you have the chance because their value will decline as their availability and circulation increases. They'll always be valuable but they won't be quite as valuable as they are right now before the market is flooded.
That and they'll drop quick because people will want to liquidate their CS to maintain the amount they put into each one. Lots of product with same or slightly higher demand means prices will drop quickly. Or maybe not. Maybe it's like pop art. No one can tell when and how prices will soar or drop. They just do. Lol
Starting off with a side note, I honestly don't know what people find so fun about gachapon. It is exactly like the potential system. All equips and scrolls should drop from mobs/bosses and the rate should be based on the stats given by the item and possibly player popularity. (with the exception of white scrolls being Horntail only (which will also cause problems including manon control etc etc). In regards to chaos scroll's dropping. Yes, they should drop, and it should be very difficult. Make it something to work for. Would there be a price drop? maybe, but who knows how low the price would be. At least until big bang came around. I say give it a shot, but make it tough.
Reletive speaking they're cheaper here then, with the extra meso rate that wasn't in GMS. Also, gachapon is literally nothing like potentials, which were completely different from where you got items. It, , lol pun not intended, it potentially affected every item regardless. Gachapon allows you to get items that are extra good compared to monster drops (capes with att for example), and acts as an NX sink like AP resets and cosmetics. I don't exactly see what you're aiming for though, and if I may be a dick, it sounds like you had a bad run with gach tickets and you're peeved you can't just farm the items you want.
So: 1. Yes gachapon is like the potential system. It was an early version of pay2win. If you had more nx you had more tickets which more chances at good items. Same situation with cubes. more nx, more cubes means better chance at getting higher tiers. It is the same thing. Sometimes 100 cubes would keep you at the rare tier, some times 100 tickets and you'd get diddly squat. 1.5: AP resets and teleport rocks alone will do a fine job at keeping NX levels from going crazy. Hp washing isn't going away and enjoy the quick travel while it lasts cause they may bring back the old boat times back. 2. Makes no sense that gachapon is the ONLY way to get those items. Why don't monsters drop black wiscons, maple leafs, green/red skull cap, yellow grey bandana, blue wizardy hat, blue apprentice hat, pickpocket pifler, toy maker cap, white/black starry bandana (the list goes on). Some of these items are dropped by mini bosses or obtained through exhcnage which is fine. I am perfectly fine with pacs/puacs and other godlier items to be dropped by Zakum/HT. Chairs dropping from mobs may be a bit goofy and simply no. 3. With regards to chaos scrolls, adding them to mobs was a good decision, gave players something to work towards that they could do at their own pace, and made them more available. Chaos scrolls are not exclusive. They are risky 60% scrolls with a high chance of failure. Should they be easy to get? no because they work on all equipment, but making them gach/boss exclusive is an unnecessary limitation. 4. My point is that clicking on an npc to get rewards is not playing the game. By adding these items to mobs your giving the player another way of obtaining the item. If waiting around on multiple accounts to vote for nx and spend on gach tickets in your way to play, more power to ya.
Nothing you get from gach is something you NEED to play the game, and since we don't pay for NX here, the whole p2p aspect is completely moot. Also, no one "waits around" on multiple accounts to vote. For one that's against the rules and bannable, so again i'd say it's moot. Again, to which you ignored previously so I'll say it again, I don't exactly see what you're getting at when the current system is both authentic to the original game and completely fair (no camping of bosses for items which those bosses don't even normally drop, among many other issues with all gach specific items being drops). Edit: I'm not against certain items like WS/CS being added to boss drop tables at same rates, as I said in a previous post, you can't really farm those. But every gach item being droppable? That's a completely different point.
Alright. Let me clear some things up. Starting with chaos scrolls which is the main point of this thread. This item has no purpose being gach/boss exclusive, they should be dropped by mobs. Chaos scrolls are high risk low success. In other words they are pretty shitty. Yes you can get +5 but the odds of that happening is meh. For the most part, this scroll is just another 60% scroll that has very little use outside of a few pieces of equipment. I can only consider white scrolls to be exclusive since they save slots. nothing beats that. Next, vote to win is eerily similiar to the pay2win aspect in gms/kms etc etc. Being forced to vote in order to get the best gear means there is only one way to get the some of good gear. Adding them as drops from bosses gives player another shot if their gach run was a flunk. Should it be easy? No, make it tough. No one should be getting these items (especially the +5 variations at a high rate) as that would mess with the economy. Now how often should these desired items such as pac's/puac's/pgc's/pugc's/white scrolls/sky ski's/ or any gach item that cannot be obtained outside of gach be dropped and at what rate. Referring to a later comment. Genesis 20 drop rate seems like a fair drop rate for these items to drop at. It shouldn't be a common drop from major bosses and getting a +3 or +5 version of the cape should be even more difficult. I would also limit these drops to Zakum and Horntail (as you stated previously with ws/chaos), with horntail having a slightly better but not noticable chance then Zakum. A bad thing that would come from this are boss campers. This is nothing new and already exists, so I do not need to go into detail. Experience that for yourself. Now, referring to the "people don't sit around on multiple accounts" comment. Yes they do. This is pretty self explanatory. Any hacker forum can give you a simple guide on how to accomplish this without getting caught. Although this server does a good job of catching people in the process. The pro's know who they are. Next. is the current system "authentic and original". Lets get one thing straight. Authentic and original do not mean good. The original and authentic drop rate of items and mesos gained on Maplestory was complete trash. The rewards from GM events in kms/gms back in v55 and even now are pale in comparison to what this server offers. The Royals staff did a good job of finding a challenging exp/meso/drop rate that requires dedication, but no more than a few hours of game play every few days. However players who commit themselves are rewarded more which is fair. When I play 5 hours selling leech, looting mesos, and npcing equips/ that potential 700mil a day is well deserved. People who play 1 hour a day shouldn't expect to see any results of some one who plays 2 or more hours. To summarize, chaos scrolls are not exclusive and in now way shape or form should be restricted to Gachpon only. All scrolls and equips for white scrolls and a select few equips (including event equips) should be obtainable from common mobs and not be limited to just mini bosses. However the droprate of certain items should be more difficult based on the stats they give. For example, finding a flaming katana/fish pole should not be easy but also not be limited to deo or faust. Finding a kebob should not be easy. Finding work gloves with stats should not be easy. Mage scrolls which are the most sought after will need to have the lowest drop rate (with the exception of some 10% and 60% scrolls), but to be fair, mages aren't as difficult to power up as they used to be. Especially with recent fixes. If you want me to go into more detail I would be happy discuss it further, but I would prefer a skype/discord call instead. Much easier to talk these things out instead of debating it on the forums.
Really good point Realizze sad none of staff took it seriously At the end this is Royals it's almost impossible they would add other way of getting chaos, even tho small drop chance from bad spawn mobs wouldn't rly change that much on price (would go down to what 250m+?). I think even if it would be 250m for chaos it's still quite a lot and someone would have to get lucky to scroll something godly (aka.18+pgc and such) . I don't see how having a little bit more decent and slightly cheaper gear on the market would be a bad thing as atm to buy decent fs or pgc u need that 2-4b, which is really impossible for many people even those who play here 1year+ as myself I played here for good 2 years and was never really rich as I didn't main mage and these kind of items were far away dreams. I don't see why not but then Royals has too much drama and people 'what about people who spent 50b+ on gear' this way sadly we will still be living with the past and never move forward as a server. And I believe even new source wont help much as lot of people mentality think that way and probably will never change. I really admire people who saved and worked hard for these money and I'm totally aware of it but maybe time to look forward a little bit more, not everyone has time to play that much and being able to have 10att fs for 1.5-3b wouldn't kill the market... It would just mean rich people would have even better gear and these with decent amount of money more decent one. And I think it would be totally fair as only end weap available are 100 and 110lv, which means at least more chaosed gear would help to increase people dmg as I can't imagine current server killing pink bean unless it will be nerfed. Ps. Chaos scrolls are nice addition is MapleStory and I believe more people should have a chance to mess around with it.
I have been on this server for 2 years as well and I have 2 lvl 200s and 1 191. In between my character washes and gear my fortune is estimated at around 120b. If you are not rich by now, is simply because you did not work hard enough. That's just an excuse
I feel like you didn't even read my post, all u saw was something to comment on and show off... If you would read it you can clearly see that I said not everyone have time for it (also not everyone even aim for very high levels like 180+) which in my case is the point. I don't have time to spent whole days on this game but it shouldn't be a reason to not have some chances in getting better gear. Also I didn't make this comment to hope for better future for myself because I do have money and good gear now, I made this so people who struggling like I used to can actually struggle less and also have a chance. But then no point to argue with closed minded people So that's all I got to say.
In order for you to have something, even in real life, you must dedicate time and effort. Just because "you dont have the time to play" doesnt mean others do. People have real bussines, work, school, etc, and yet, they try to make some space from their bussy schedules. I study all day at university and then I gotta go to work. I dont go around saying I dont have time to play because again, thats just an excuse. If you found difficult to built your chars and gear, let me tell you something: I found it difficult too, it was not easy at all.
Yeah I totally understand you but tell me bcuz I don't want to go far away from the main topic of this thread, how bad would it be to actually add chaos as a low drop rate? Like I stated earlier it would definitely over time give more decent gear for sell on the market but is it really such a bad thing? Letting more people to actually even use chaos on this server because many did not even if they are high level. That's my point I tried to make. I'm 100% aware it won't ever happen but I wanted to share my thoughts that's it. Also what I did not like in ur comment and felt offended by it is saying that I did not work hard enough? Sorry but I spent hours on farming and trying to get money so you shouldn't say someone did not work hard just because they are not 180lv+ and have 50b in their pocket.
Bad, we have seen these before. Lyka has a low drop rate on chaos and its respawn time was 2 hrs. People started to hog lyka to farm chaos and nx wich is why the staff had to intervene and change the respawn time with a larger an unknown rate. I am sorry if you felt offended but I cant sympathize with you. The reason I said you did not work hard enough is because you said: If you dont have the time to play or whoever doesn't have the time to play, they will not achieve anything on the server. Again, in order for you to have something in life you must dedicate certain time/effort into it. If you dont have the time, then there is nothing you can do because you simply dont have the time it takes to dedicate yourself to the game. Even if we have chaos drops from mobs and a crazy exp rate like 16x, sooner or latter people will complain the game is too difficult just becuase they dont have the time required to dedicate themselves. Thats all I gotta say and my last response, because I have to rush to school and I DONT HAVE TIME FOR THIS, Cheers =)
Exactly game for which you have to give up on things in real life in order to achieve something in game ? That is not healthy system just like Realizze stated earlier... But oh well
To be honest I think Royals desperately needs a good meso sink because the current economy is really messed up, there are just way too many mesos injected into the economy. So... I have a suggestion: What if you make Chaos Scrolls available from NPCs for a certain amount of time? (say around 350m for each, which is what they usually were going for). Benefits: ● Chaos Scrolls only have a 60% chance to work, *IF* it works 6 out of the 11 possible results are also inconvenient. This means there is close to a 72.23% chance to get undesired results [0.40 + (0.60 * 6/11)] where you technically lose money (good for the economy!). ● That is only for only ONE scrolling attempt, getting a positive result doesn't mean you won't fail the next Chaos or get a negative result, increasing the probabilities to sink mesos even further. ● This would also deflate the price of Chaos Scrolls, which is ridiculous at the moment (close to 500m). ● All the money would be *effectively wiped from the economy* because they'd be purchased directly from an NPC. You might be thinking... what if one player scrolls something nice? Getting a nice result doesn't mean more mesos are injected into the economy, it just re-distributes the current wealth among the players. Thought about posting another thread for this, but it is related to getting Chaos Scrolls from other sources. Also please note that I don't even play much anymore, don't think I'm suggesting this because I want to get Chaos Scrolls. I just want Royals to have a better economy, that's all.
