Make Honey available for purchase from NPC

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    again with the insults!
    that dps is "with" berserk. im not sure if you ever played a Dk, but it seems that you believe you have that dps all the time.
    you say that "Honey" should not be sold because the Dps is "comparable", even better then paladins. but you forgot to say that that Dk uses 3rd job attacks and will only be able to get that dps when berserk is active.
    thats the problem here. how to get "good dps". because if the Dk can't use berserk the dps is halved.

    Dk: ~69- or ~96
    Paladins: ~130-158
    Heros: ~180-208

    this discussion is about Honey to help Dks, im not saying that Honey is the solution, because even with Honey the un-washed Dk will still not be able to do HT with berserk.
    also, you say that Dks are not the "weakest" but without berserk, no matter what you say, the dps tells a different story.
    im not saying that Dks "can not" get good dps. im saying that Dks need to wash (thats a weakness) like any other class that are forced to wash.
    i dont think nexon have that in mind when they created classes. that you need to wash!?! wash is a way to go around the problem that a class is "weak".
    and "weak" means a combination of how much damage they do in tough situations (such bosses), survivability, how much dependent of buff from others etc.
    all classes have weakness, and i will not debate about that, this discussion is only between the 3 warrior classes.
     
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    A drk without zerk is comparable to a hero without combo or a paladin without charges. A night Lord without shadow partner. The list goes on and on. You can't compare a drk not using one of the essential skills that they possess, to a hero or paladin fully buffed.
     
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    its different ImCanadian. you dont need to be <40% HP to use combo or charges.
    so, are you ok that Heros/Paladins can only use combos/charges when HP is below 65%?
    this is about survivability.
     
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    I don't see the relevance. Are you saying an unwashed level 155 night lord is weaker than a washed leve 155 paladin? The night lord wouldn't be able to survive the early stages of ht. That doesn't mean the night lord is weak or underpowered or whatever you have been saying. Same goes for dark knights.
     
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    The statistics you blindly go by are just speculations of possible DPS in their prime and don't represent a real situation at all. From in-game experience most players would agree that Hero and DrK are very similar in damage with the same type equipment and stats with Paladin lacking behind them by a lot especially since they don't always have their Holy Charge boost and their skill is always single target.

    A DrK with 18750 HP can use HB to get to 30K hp and keep berserk going with 12k HP which is enough for every boss currently available so there's no reason to believe that a skilled player cannot keep berserker going 100% of the time.
    Yes HP washing is required for that, but HP washing is required for nearly all attacking classes for high lvl content.

    Introducing Honey wouldn't change anything for a skilled DrK other than lowering potion cost which isn't something that has to be done at all in my opinion. Currently they maintain their HP above dying-range and in berserk-range by using Cheese (4000HP) and Milk (5000HP) which has worked for them since forever.
     
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    Locking this thread because people can't keep on topic about honey after I told you guys to keep it on topic. If you want to argue about dks and paladins, make a new thread please.
     
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