HP Gain Make HP washing optional, not mandatory

I gotta say I have few heavily washed character and I personally would be really happy to see a new way for new players. I spent countless time and mesos making those chars and it was a real pain sometimes. idk but if there could be a way to avoid that pain to the newbs that'd be pretty cool

 

Thanks for clarifying Kenny, my apologies for coming off as accusatory; I just tend to only like comments I agree with haha.

 

It's only after you have the HP to survive a hit, you get to play around with positioning and practice avoiding damage. Watching videos or having a guide still means one mistake can waste the day for the whole party if you are short on HP. The same issue is at Dunas 1, where DR is cast on the first frame of the animation, so you have to tank the first 10k/15k (or stand there and not attack for half the battle, that's a fun and cool and smart option to have).

Is it then really worth the time to recruit a DK and still possibly fail? Should I recruit with a disclaimer every time? Can I reliably do that every day? I'd rather just not
A bloodwashed 146 mule can outperform me at 200, while making the run faster, more consistent, and without taking splits in addition to saving another slot without DK. This is a meta fueled entirely by HP.

 

And this meta sucks.

My last char was a 140BM slighty washed, with 8k HP. Since the SA patch, I actually stopped playing the game. Not only because SA changes, which will be off topic, but because of that, I don't have fun playing BM anymore and I just can't face making a new char because it involves time and alot a money.

I don't wanna play my BM anymore ( since SA revert ), and I don't have time and mesos to make a new char.
So what now ? I am stuck.

I wish I could make a new char, just to have fun in this game which I play since 2009 on different server, including official. I wish we could reach endgame content without including HP washing mechanics. I mean, I'm okay with the HP cap thing to do some bosses, but give us some worth and interesting alternative ways to get HP.

How could new player join this server based on washing ? They start with no money at all, do you realize the time they will need just to make a char capable to join boss runs ? Way too much. Actually, this server isn't noob friendly.

 

might be out of topic but how did you survive HT during main stage with your SE? I tried ran with my paladin and it took me about 9.6k magic dmg during the leg / tail part. Am thinking to go HT with my 7.7k sniper :x

 

I agree with what you said. But just one point on the legendary collector medal thing, it would take approx 400+hours instead of 150 for 400 card sets.

Im only at 318 and I alr spent nearly that amount of time because I dont have a mage and hunting cards on an archer is just.. stupidly slow

 

I got a lot of flak for bringing up the SA revert changes but I hope the GMs decision to revert it brings you back to the game as a BM!

Hope to see you around in game sometime. Will also be looking forward to let my friends who left the server know

 

Of course, once SA gets reverted, I'll play my BM again because I had so much fun playing it.

Plus, maybe, someday we will have new worth methods to get more HP, and that's gonna be helpful because I just can't join HT at 155 with this char.

Make PQ tokens tradable for HP bonus please.

 

I really don't understand why there would be an issue with washed players losing their hard work if they implemented other methods of acquiring HP.

All you have to do is have an NPC that:

- Calculates the average amount of APR it would have taken you to reach your current HP
- Gives you the above number of APR
- Resets your HP/MP to a possible HP/MP for your class/level

This will allow you to either reset everything fully, or leave your character the way it is. The only issue now is with what the APR do. If you allow APR to be converted back to NX, you ruin the Gachapon market (at least temporarily).

I think the best solution is to replace the APR item with a new item. For example, a crafting material that can be used to create new items. These items don't have to be game-breaking, in fact they don't even have to be equips.
It could be any of the following:

- Upgraded Chairs
- Upgraded Onyx Apples (using an Onyx Apple + this material)
- Upgraded Scrolls (maybe 10% + material = 15%?)

There's a whole variety of useful applications that a new crafting material could have. This will allow new players to keep their income and allow old players to keep their hard work.

 

there has been a long discussion since I left, TLDR.

But by the looks of it looks like the majority agrees this HP washing REQUIREMENT is just stupid, it is NOT optional. Even HT, a relatively early boss already requires 10k HP, let alone future bosses like PB/VL.

My stance is HP washing should be made much cheaper / easier without hardcore grinding. For those who spent 200 hours selling leech, I don't think they really need to be compensated in any way. It is just how life goes, things improves and that doesn't mean those who went through hard times must be compensated to make everything equal..
For example, people born in the 1930s, who are almost 100 years old now probably haven't tried living adulthood with smartphones/internet, does that mean we need to somehow compensate them? No.

If we keep thinking about being fair to all generations of players, we will never move forward. It will be nice to compensate them, eg refund them the mesos spent on APR, but this compensation should never be the factor stopping us from progressing.

I agree that this is a radical, ground-breaking change. However it is a one off disruption, for the greater good in the next X years.
Will the server last long if there is simply no low-level activities?

 

Sorry for double post, I just feel like adding more on what I said.

The way I see it is the server already have an inherently huge problem, the design of the game and the player behaviour/meta (wash or no pt).
the problem as been there since the official server, since the start of royals. Because it isn't fixed at all, the issue just gets bigger and bigger. More players are getting excluded and quit the server because they can't do the new content bosses.

Saying "Oh we can't fix this because it will rock the boat" is like sweeping the problem under the rug and just let the it grow. We have screwed up for years, there is definitely a cost to fix it. Meanwhile "spy(s)" from other servers are happily stealing ideas from this forum because we are being too cautious on implementing fixes.

I am not sure how the admins make decision, there is a f**k load of constructive feedback/suggestions in the forum, but how much is this factored in the decision making? ie: if the topman "boss" says no then 1000 of constructive feedbacks mean nothing.

 

I agree and I wish the players were able to vote on the issue. I know that an overwhelming number of people would vote to have HP washing removed.

Compensation in the form of untradeable apples/chaos scrolls isn't difficult. Or just replace APRs entirely so anyone that has them can have a new useful item instead (which they can also purchase in CS).

 

@Kenny , can we hear from you what is the usual process for the admins to consider feedbacks?

I believe this is not the first thread discussing why HP washing should be removed, and how to deal with the side effects.

Also in the past, what are the reasons for rejecting suggestions about HP washing? Is it because the team aren't sure how to deal with the side effect / compensating those who has washed? If so I believe the community will be more than happy to chip in idea.

 

Maybe another way to add hp wash alternative could be to buff reul's elixirs? something like tonic 20hp/chaos 40hp (instead of 10/20) would be much more acceptable? The quests themselves aren't so bad and i think getting an average of 30hp per quest could be fair

 

Then let MR consist of only OG's and have the server never grow. No reason new players should be told to delete their account or be peer pressured into playing a class they don't want to play. Terrible way to attract and keep new players.

 

Amen

 

Bump. I met many new players in-game in the past few weeks and all of them wonder if they would be able to do end-game bosses someday. Buff reul's elixirs please uwu

 

Let's say it cost 4b to wash to 12k as BM. Just make an npc that will charge us a premium after lvl 155 that will set our hp to 12k. If it cost 4b to normally wash to 12k, have him charge 5b in aprs, (500 aprs) to set our hp to 12k. Would set a price floor for aprs, and would actually give us an alternative. My guild is running Auf soon and I will be no where near close enough to join. Thats including 3 pet equips, hb, black belt, ergoths bane medal, mon, and I've done the hp quest like 10 times. I'd have to do it another 220 times which is absolutely mind shatteringly insane. Its nice to know I'll have to throw away my 167 BM because I believed a fake claim, no reason me and lots of other people I know should have accounts they threw away in the 1xx lvls. Its absolutely ridiculous and inconsiderate.

 

Then the npc you're talking about should sell hp potions (like reul's) instead of aprs. Being able to use aprs means you have enough mp to wash which is not the case for people who didn't add int or int equips.
I see what you mean about not being able to run auf tho. Happens way too often to ranged classes D:
Yes, having 12k hp is enough for auf when you got hb, but auf also randomly dispels so that basically means you're gonna die during the run. Well I guess it's still better than nothing

 

I am for the removal of hp wash meta

But you can have a party member bring a hb mule in during your auf runs. Have a discord voicechat while your party is doing the run so asking for rebuff of hb will be easier if/when you get dispelled.

Its not going to be easy, and I am the last person qualified to say this because I get carried on auf runs by my guildmate but its worth a shot if you really want to go auf as an unwashed bm.