HP Gain Make HP washing optional, not mandatory

The strain that would put on your guildies is just embarrassing. I feel bad enough asking for HB in HT runs, now they have to do extra work to watch for dispells and timers, good luck getting a ht run without a guild that loves you because it will barely ever happen. Can't even imagine auf.

Just to clarify im talking about using APRs as currency at this new NPC, that way the APR price doesn't get affected, this is for new players who don't have any money but can one day, down the line, pay a premium to get a wash. So if someone wanted 18k hp, and couldnt afford it through washing, he would pay 20% extra of what that wash would normally cost. Lets say its 8b washing, he would pay almost 10b, but the 10b has to be paid with aprs(1000). I feel like thats a good sacrifice for those newer players. However I doubt GMs would be interested in that much work.

 

Well they still have to pay attention to dispells and timers, or atleast the bishop has to, so there would not be "extra work" in HT. HB is just another buff like SE, SI and MW20 or maybe even crash which people ask for all the time during a HT run. I'm not an Auf expert yet so can't really give an opinion about it rn.

Imo washing is 100% optional to play the game, but ofc people just expect to do HT (which some would argue its an end game boss) at the minimum level required (155) with their first character lmao. Although HP washing could be improved I stand in the opinion that getting high HP should be a goal to work on and not given away to easily.

Giving people short, mid and long term goals to keep playing in the servers is good for the server in the long run.

 

Absolutely crazy to think people should make two accounts in order for one account to be able to fight horntail. There is extra work for the HB. I can agree with you that it shouldn't be given away too easily, I'd argue that a 12b lump sum for a 10b wash is quite hard to get, could even put a 2 month age req for new accounts. Requiring that 20-40 minute hp quest to be done 200+ times is bonkers and would realistically take 6-12 months and even then still would need hb. The difference between hp washing, and grinding the hp quest is just far too great, I doubt there are more than 20 accounts that have done that quest 200+ times for 12k hp unwashed. I just dont want to throw away a lvl 167 account because I came back to maplestory after 6 years poor. This account can't even be a se mule at some places. Now i have to remake BM just to play the game with my guild?

 

Why do you want 12k hp to ht tho. Iirc, you can safely ht at 8k hp. You can even go lower if you know how to dodge the attack, or let the team kill wing first. BM have a natural hp of 5.5k ish at lv155 and with some alternative ways to gain more hp, you should be able to do ht without washing at all. HT at lv155 is also a luxury to have. I didn’t do my first HT till lv170 ish but that is just me

Spring of Youth Quest +500 hp
Master collector medal +500 hp
3 Pets with Hp equips +350 hp
MON pendant +300 hp
Blackfist Cloak +110 hp
Zombie Army ring +100 hp
Rudolph Shiny nose +50 hp
8th Anniversary earrings +50 hp
… etc

 

Or just HT with a Drk? Again, asking for a mule to maximize a HT split seems something optional, just like HP washing.

 

The 12k isn't for HT, its for toad, auf, shao, even then I'd need hb (-shao) which makes me a liability. Sure you can HT at 8k but good luck explaining to teams that they have to change their strategy, good luck explaining to them that if you get knocked off the platform one time that you'll die. Why on Earth would they take me? In order to HT safely and to participate fully you need 9.9k hp, I have almost everything on that list of hp items, and with the things im missing would put me at 8.1k, I've already done the hp quest maybe 5 times. Okay so I need 1.8k more hp, that means I'd have to complete the hp quest another 120 times with average luck. You really have no idea how long that is for someone not using TP rocks and not geared to the teeth.

Why can't I just pay much more than people who wash to get the benefits? How is that not a fair tradeoff? Why not let us stack the quest items to 200 and increase their drop rate? Hp washing is so much easier compared to the quest alternative. Don't punish me because I started the game playing my favorite class, I came back to Maplestory after 10 something years, I had no idea what hp washing was. I couldn't afford it at the start of my account but I can partially afford it now. Its very apparent that theirs something wrong when people are more drawn towards throwing their account away and starting over than to do the quest 200 times(for 12k hp). Once again, I doubt there are more than 20 players who have hit 12k hp and are unwashed. Clearly a problem.

But understand that this server doesn't have a plethora of players. You're now requiring the team to have a DK, not only that but your asking the DK to have full attention, if I get dispelled he has to react quick enough, If I fall off the platform he has to make sure I still have hb up. How does that sound appealing to recruiting teams? I maybe HT once a week, people don't want to take me and I can't blame them. How's that for the health of the server?

 

I am not talking about other bosses... I am simply trying to tell you that you can ht at your current hp now...maybe don't get knockoff from the top platform? I am fully confident that with practice/skills, you may avoid that situation!

 

Can we talk about the bigger problem? Can we talk about how my account can barely qualify as an se mule? I've put a lot of time into this account Kenny. 200 Hp quest completions is absurd.

 

There's another way to gain extra hp, but it's not in game yet, and I don't know if make sense put it in game.

Spoiler: stolen ss from another forum :v

Hoblin King PQ have a good reward, however these earrings could make Shogun earrings, Element Pierce, Altair earrings, Gold Emerald earrings and Anniversary earrings become a shit. (maybe), but if Rex earrings are too op, why not nerf to 1/1 stat and 5% hp

 

Alright this will be my last contribution to this thread since it seems you wanna pay half attention to the game while bossing:

There are plenty of Drks playing and looking for bosses, you might just need to get outside of your normal social circle.

Drks need to also rebuff themselves for they to zerk properly so this is not an issue really.

Maybe don't fall off? HB lasts enough time and dispels can also be timed.

All of what I said comes from someone that has been doing HT for a long time, 1-2 per day for the last 3-4 weeks. Also if your friends/people you know don't wanna run with you just because your hp is a minor inconvenience then it might be a good idea to find another group of friends.

At the end of the day I still agree the HP washing situation in the server could and should improve, just not for this reasons.

 

Way to read in between the lines. I never said I want to pay half attention, I said the playerbase wouldnt want to put more effort into bosses to accommodate unwashed players.

False, I smega quite often, there are in fact not a lot of Drks looking for end game bosses, especially because they cant zerk on some of them.

Okay I'll repeat myself, when I get dispelled they have to pay attention to me asking for hb. Its possible I get dispelled and they don't. Also there are drks who have 30k hp without hb. It's an inconvenience for them, not sure why you can't understand that.

Really? What else? You understand its stupid to ask unwashed players to play perfect right? Stuff happens.

That's great, a washed persons perspective. Just what we need. Like I said this is a majority of players, why take an unwashed liability when you can just not.

 

Coming from a unwashed sair... Im already into 17k+ hp at lv 200 by doing daily HP quest and all the available HP equips/medal, started from ~approx 7.7k at lv 160s (already got some HP gears and did the 500hp quest)... and no, I don't have 10 hours to play everyday, and yes they do take 30-40mins to complete everyday... and no you don't need TP rocks, just 28m every 14? days on fast travel pass... The hp quest also fits the "nostalgia" of maplestory being a heavy grinding game.

So what im getting to is... as long as the daily HP quest is around, there is no "unwashed player". You just need to get working on it. Yes, it takes time, so does spending 10b+ (depending on HP goal) and levelling a INT character.

When I was small, I remember only seeing ranged characters in their 180s+ doing HT, anything below is with HB friends or luxury gears.

 

What insane dedication, I must ask how long that took. I just feel like you've done so much more work than someone who just voted everyday and got rich enough to wash normally. You don't feel that way? They spent 1 minute to vote everyday while you spent 30 minutes a day to complete the quest. For maybe 1/2 years? You are amazing.

 

yea i know what you mean. i had to join ht runs with a dk for a good period of time until i was able to get 10.5k hp with my gears. But one you reach that threshold you shouldnt be worried about dying at ht, even to sed with the icicle falling on you before you reach the side.

Hero will is an added safety net as well.

Maybe its because I rather sit in fm and merch and my " dont care much for auf mentality" so I cant relate to people's desire to wanna auf that badly. But what I do know is that I definitely do not want new players to spend thousands of hours like I did on my bowmaster to reach 12.1k hp only to still need hb for such boss runs.

If the grind was this tough but fruitful to theextent where we could actually go to such runs without hb, that would be fine by me But this is clearly not the case so screw this meta

 

1 year. But you also have to remember if people voted and gained riches to wash, you’re going to be left with a decent/high hp character with no gear. I still got to vote everyday and focus on gear, just 30-40min once a day for hp. Some of the quest are even faster like ludi one, do your double pap, get a card and finish the quest in 15min.

 

I see a lot of replies saying you can survive HT with 8k hp or less.

This is definitely not true.

I had 9.6k hp for a period of time at lvl 18x (I know this for sure because I only started HT at lvl 180) and I still died during mass sed because sometimes the icicle will hit me before i actually reach the side and this would mean I would get hit by the icicle a total of 5 times, each time hitting me 2k+ dmg.

And yes, I would die and lose out on some exp and drops (if its a pub run where ppl dont care about u)

9.6k does not even guarantee survival and if it was due to a reason like for example, me falling down then yes I have no one else but myself to blame. However, its clearly not and its just based on rng which to me is laughable.

How do people survive at ht with 8k hp or less to mass sed? Are you guys just lucky or do you guys have bishops healing u when ur sed? Maybe a shad using smokescreen instead?

We must appreciate that not every party is made up of proficient ht bossers and that there are players on this server who joined and are having a go at horntail bosses on their own, most of which are unwashed like I was/am.

None of them are going to know sed timers or possess hero will at the early stage nor can they control the icicle that falls on them before they reach the side.

I ht-ed twice a day everyday for 2-3months back then and this was not just an anomaly. It happened quite frequently. I die often at ht with 9.6k hp. 8K hp is not enough for HT for a bm for sure.

 

Yes but to these people, because there's a possibility that you can do ht with 8k they will demand it from non washers. That's how it becomes "optional", oh you died with 8k hp at ht,? Shouldve played better, shouldve had a perfect comp, etc. They don't care that the odds to survive are very low. Not sure why the GMs are so against helping new/poor players. I really don't understand it, we aren't even asking for a lot, just let us stack quest items even I'd be happy with. They really just want you to be miserable for 1 year.

 

Hi. I read the part about you saying there are plenty of dks looking for bossing. This is not true.

When I was lvl 16x en route to 199, I smega-ed multiple times daily looking for a dk to shao with. In fact, I even said I would provide stoppers and even let him/her get the loots.

Idk what else I needed to do to get a dk in my party and even to that end, there were days I couldnt go shao and even on days I found a dk, it took hours to find one.

I play on asian timezone and thats the most active period.

This was few months ago when server was not as dead as it currently is now.

 

You cant do ht with 8k hp.

Never can never will.

Tried and tested myself doing ht 120 times(twice a day for two months) with 9.6k hp. died very frequently to mass sed and icicles

Times I survived with 1-15hp was often too. All depends on rng to see if the icicle hits you before you reached the end)

For 8k hp its a guaranteed death

 

Personal experience is the lowest form of evidence, but since you brought it up. Last week i HTed with a drk 4/5 times i went to HT, on one of those runs I HTed with 2 drks at the same time. All of this during NA timezone. There are plenty of Drks out there, they just don't boss with you.
Did you buddy/saved the name of the Drks you bossed with? That way you could have gotten yourself a little squad for daily shao. Also, did you asked the Drk to come with an HS mule or did you provided that?

Someone that joined in the COVID player peak and saying the server is dead now - name a more iconic duo.

Exactly my point, proficiency takes time and effort. Even if it means looking for a Drk to boss or learning how to time sed or making the minimal effort so you dont fall of the plataform.

Yikes.
Btw I started doing HT with a 9k bowmaster with an 8k~ NL so I'm not just talking from my full "washed perspective".

I think instead or arguing nonsense we should be discussing a smart proper way to enhance the washing situation.

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