HP Gain Make HP washing optional, not mandatory

I joined in March 2021, and only got to lvl 18x during May 2021. That wasnt the covid peak. That was when server was already dying.

How does "name a more iconic duo" help your argument?

Yes I had a friend who would hs me and yes I added those dks I managed to find in hopes of having a fixed shao partner.

But as I mentioned previously, I was unable to find dks during my peak time zone and only found partners at 2-3am my time.

I had a friend who would provide hs
I offered to provide stoppers
Im a bowmaster with SE and decent range
I used smegas to find DKs to no avail

This doesnt seem like "dks who want to boss" are in abundance like you said.

If you are going to use the argument "they just dont want to boss with you" then I dont think anything you say from then on will provide any benefit to this thread.

Every point that you cant argue against would just be swept under the rug with "they just dont like you"

Also, please dont say stuff like "personal experience is the lowest form of evidence". This is literally a thread where we share our experiences in hopes of changing the situation.

If you hate people's personal experience that much, show us a video of you surviving ht with 8k hp by icicles during mass sed. Im sure with your "experience of sed timers" you can accomplish this.

@Fergerar

 

If you read my post you would know that it has nothing to do with proficiency.

You will die to the icicles during sed. Unless you can come up with a way to not get sed or get hit by icicles you cannot survive ht with 8k hp

@Fergerar

 

Alright discussing this is getting old so until I can come up with (or read from someone else) a decent idea to improve the HP wash situation I wont reply to this thread after this.

The server had an increase of players since the pandemic started until countries started to lift restrictions which was around june-august 2021 depending on the country. This plus the fact that during october-november the server population always decreases until winter break are the explanation why the server has less players, not because its "dead". This isn't the point of the thread so I'll leave it at that.

You are right, that didn't help the thread.

Experience IS the lowest form of evidence. People can say that in their experience HP washing made them impossible to boss but then I can say I could boss with not a fully washed character and it ends like that. This is a thread to make the whole HP washing situation better with ideas, not just share experiences that wont actually help the debate.

What kind of argument is this? If you dont believe me when I said I finished HT without HB as a 9k bowmaster with an 8k~ NL then idk what to tell you man. Right now my bowmaster is at 13k hp and I lost contact with the NL.

"We must appreciate that not every party is made up of proficient ht bossers and that there are players on this server who joined and are having a go at horntail bosses on their own, most of which are unwashed like I was/am."
Right, idk where I got proficiency from.

Let me quote one of the most recognized BMs in this server on a post form march 2021:

Spoiler: Spoiler

So its doable, hard but doable.

At the end of the day HP washing right now isn't mandatory to play the game BUT it is mandatory in endgame content. Lookinf forward to read some great ideas from now on.

 

I hate to bring this up: using “absolute” words (e.g., definitely, never, always…) against a known fact does not make you look good at all. If you don’t know how to survive HT with 8k hp, perhaps ask around and learn? Just because tail hits ~30k, it doesn’t mean you have to make a 30k shad to tank it!!

Please do not spread false information like it’s an absolute fact. There are indeed player done ht with 8k or even less hp. In fact, no one really cares about your hp as long as you can survive with skills/practice. I agree that hp washing is a “problem” to other bosses like auf/toad, but ht is not one of them. Please use other examples at the minimum to shape your argument

 

Never try, never know. I have done with 8.4k hp. So who hate my experience?

Spoiler

Learn to respect others before learning to survive HT with low hp

 

1. This thread was made by a new player who was enroute to making an unwashed character. I think its only safe to assume that whatever feedback and experience that we post on this thread has to accomodate/suit the playstyle/abilities of new players. Saying stuff like "it is possible" because an old player done it before defeats the purpose. I will not retract my words because it is impossible for them to survive ht with less than 8k hp.

Theres a difference between generalisation using absolute words and absolute words that cater to a certain category. Since I have and always replied such posts thinking in the shoes of such players, I feel no need to retract my words neither would I be spreading false information.

I also like to reiterate that the reason players with less than 9.6k hp die in ht isnt due to them "falling down" but due to mass-sed and dying to icicles. How do you propose players practice their skills at that?

I mentioned that hero's will isnt readily available to every casual newbie trying their shot at horntail. Perhaps you can give a suggestion instead of saying hp washing isnt optional because I mean if it really was then why was this thread even made.

"If you dont know how to survive ht with less than 8k hp, maybe ask around and learn" I dont know when was the last time you played on a new char joining pub runs but the last time I checked, people dont even reply you if you tell them you lack the hp to go to horntail much less spare the time to teach you. I mean who could really blame them? Its only logical to not want to waste the entire party's time. Perhaps they could ask their friends/guildmates but I am pretty sure no one knows how to accurately answer that question without throwing in "Make a new char".

 

How stubborn

 

I did not say I did not believe you when you survived HT as a 9k bowmaster. The topic was surviving with less than 8k hp as stated by Kenny. I myself survived ht with 9k+hp why wouldnt I believe you. Dying was just a frequent result.

"Right idk where i got proficiency from"
You did not understand my point. Read it again.

"This is a thread to make the whole hp washing better with ideas, not share experiences that wont help the debate"
By sharing experiences, people can learn from each other on how to better tackle the boss. I think this was the solution most if not all of us came upon since the GMs clearly do not wish to undo the hp wash meta, which is why we bothered sharing our experiences.

I shared my experience for the sole purpose of showing statistics. Doing ht 120 times over a period of 2 months with a fixed hp would give new players a general gauge of how often they would die with less than stated hp. Im pretty sure it would be helpful one way or another. You can call it the lowest form of evidence all you want, but this is a thread not an interrogation. No one cares how good it is since everyone takes things with a pinch of salt here.

 

How naive

 

I need to learn how to die with 9.6k hp. LF>video proof

 

Ironic seeing as you're one of the few people that can make actual change happen, yet day after day our pleas get tossed aside. I have already proposed solutions I think would suffice, I'd love to hear your feedback.

1. When turning in the quest, don't take all our quest items, only the required amount, and increase drop rate. Example: The quest asks for 20 Tails, I farm 200 tails, after the quest, I'm left with 180 tails.

2. Make an npc that will boost our hp by 1000 for an absurd price using APRs as currency. Example: I have 9k hp, to get 10k hp I can buy this npc service for 125 APRs. Npc service has a limit of 10 uses.

 

Its funny how we've pivoted this to Horntail when the actual concern was Auf , Toad, and PB.

 

Summary of past few replies

1. Without 9k+ hp, you wont be able to survive HT's mass sed as you will die to icicles.

2. You can survive if you have i. a party that has a shadower with hero will to smokescreen you while you are seduced or ii. a bishop with hero's will to heal you while you are seduced.

3. As this thread was made by a new player for new players, some people dont realise that these luxuries are not easily accessible to new player parties.

But lets give a round of applause to the player who survived ht with 8.4k hp after years of playing. Lets not forget that GM Kenny said that you can survive HT with less than 8k hp. Looking forward to see a new player accomplish this without washing

 

GMs are humans too. Just give it a shot and I am sure the other GMs will notice and reply to your feedback soon.

There are GMs who are not stubborn and naive so I ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ hope (because I was told not to give absolute words) that your queries get some form of reply

 

I actually know a player who survived with 7.6k hp but she is banned.
I don't know how funds matter experience. With equal hp, old player can but new player can't? Wtf

 

Let's chill out with the passive aggression, please and thank you.

 

Its a shame these threads become so unproductive because people won't accept any form of pushback to their opinion on either side. There's great suggestions and informed criticisms here but its all lost effort if the thread just gets derailed to spam

I think @Zancks has brought up a lot of great ideas involving both HP and additional MP (to preserve AP reset value and assist with non-washed high level characters). I'd be in favor of seeing something along these lines and encourage other players to give it a read

 

Want to talk about Auf?

 

@Aqwrd

I hope your queries get some form of satisfactory reply somehow

If you have any issues with getting hp gears or have any questions on how to improve your bm gameplay as an unwashed character, I'd be happy to help.

W.r.t Auf, you could make a hb mule to bring in with you but that would take a lot of time and effort.

There isnt the afk safespot in Auf anymore like they did in the past so you might need a hb mule if you intend to run auf. I am sure you will find friends that will bring you because you matter to them

If the grind gets frustrating just take a break and come back to it another day.

Or you can wait with many others such as myself for the day GM does something about the hp wash meta. I'll be chilling at the fm with my merching buddies.

 

Increase 2 more slots in the party make the party size of 8/8 instead of 6/6. This solves all the problems.

Bring your HB mule for Low HP players
In this case HB can be sed too.

Bring your Cr mule for crash without kicking and re-inviting problem
Bishop HEAL mule can actively heal your sed mule in the same party too.