My Take on Royals After Some Time

You misunderstood me, when I mean +27 +2.7 from maple warrior, it means I can dump those more +27 STR stats from pendant to base DEX from my perspective I won't use that extra STR unless:
1. Find enough funds to buy a higher att bow
2. The bow has enough ATT to overwhelm the DEX to STR reset or as else I'm not improving at all.

Yes I'm using a Lv80 bow with 120ATT with only 4base STR. When time comes and I can fulfill the 2 requisites above I may consider getting a semiperfect-perfect MoN (which I don't have yet despite constantly running CWKPQ)

 

Explain how any of those items have the potential to be better than a godroll mon with 8wa and 12 all stats without using billions of mesos on them

 

The HTP gives 27 dex to your range.
It also adds 27 strength that you can then wash out from your main stats which turns into an additional 27 Dex.

And then MW applies to that extra 27 dex.

So HTP effectively provides as much as 54 Dex.

Is that comparable to MoN? Definitely seems so.

 

I see what you mean.

Let me try to tell you why you are wrong.

Just because you have an item that gives +27 secondary stat doesnt mean you get to add 27 ap into your main stat

Everyone would only add their secondary stat to at most 40-50 at mid game levels and move their gear around so that they can equip their high req weapon.

Let me give you an example. As a bowman would require 105 str to wield a nisrock, i would have 35-40 base str and have my equips add the rest of the 65 str needed for me to wield a nisrock.

Lets say I have a 28 stats htp. That does not mean I would apr my str 28 times and add it all into dex. That just means I have more flexibility in scrolling my eqs with dex rather than str.

This analogy is wrong because lets face it, having 105 str on a bowmaster is easy as hell. I have 22 str on my bowmaster and my str is 106. I dont even scroll my equips with any str at all.
Sorry for the half assed reply because i decided that im too dumb to put it into words actually kek

 

ehhh... no.
WA is a multiplier of stats, so on apple this is very inaccurate.

 

Not all in this game is maximizing ATT my friend. I enjoy the game in other ways but let's try following up the discussion.
The HTP is more budget friendly because it gives you nice +21-22 stats, for example. If me a bowmaster I have 93 total STR from equips and I have a Lv110 bow that gives more att than my current bow, I am short of 22STR to equip the bow right? an HTP fits perfectly and as long as you washed or happen to have a HB mule or friend with HB who can help you buy HTP, the HTP isn't that expensive nor that hard to get. Or you know, you can just ask seller to HB you if possible

Then again, as I said and you also said, the MoN is best in terms of ATT. It seems the HTP has no useful situation for minmaxing because anyways you will get your secondary stats from other equips not just pendant. Why instead of talk about nerf the MoN, we buff the HTP as currently as it is, the (perfect) MoN is the better pendant by a far margin? After all it is not unreasonable to ask for an HTP buff as we can see both the Zakum Helm and Scarlion/Targa are pretty equal in terms of the stats they have to offer, except Zakum can be equipped as early as Lv50 but as far as stats they have to offer, they are pretty much even.
(Please let's not talk about Auf Haven Helmet as that is for another discussion I don't want to go)

This does not happen with the Pendant as the MoN, if not on most cases, is still the better option for the average endgame player, in most scenarios, the HTP is still overshadowed by the MoN except for the magician class. And hell if I'm even wrong there because perfect Magic Mon is +12INT/+15MA right? That would give 27TMA but still the HTP would be better for the magician I think because it gives you free LUK and some magician equipment gives a pretty amount of TMA if you fulfill the LUK requirements without sacrificing your INT from equips.

 

Have you considered people who only have/need 20-25 secondary stats?

 

already explained this as a layman analogy and how this is a wrong calc

 

If I was a GM, I am not going to rework an equip because some people enjoy this style of playing. I would consider how serious players would exploit it and how much it would affect the entire server.

You cant just make an argument for an item to be reworked because you like it this way without considering how it would affect the game as a whole.
Thats why lots of suggestions get denied.

but im not a gm so what do i know

 

may i ask how much str is needed for this bow of yours?

 

Me suggesting to buff HTP was only a natural conclusion to reach after discussing each pendant capabilities, and the MoN is the better pendant in most cases. This also makes more sense instead of buffing an already broken equip (assuming you get one with perfect stats). If I wanted to actually want a buff for the HTP, I'd make a separate thread instead of derailing OP's thread. So let's just leave at it.

Right now I have virtually 4 base STR. My current equipped bow is a Lv80 Dark Arund which gives +120ATT/6DEX

Then have at it. Don't ask why I still have 200+++ base INT at level 169

Let's try not to deviate from OP's purpose of the thread which is giving more player feedback and what it can be done to make it more friendly to new players. I feel this discussion about pendant and bows has gone too far and there's no point on continuing on it as we both agree that the MoN is the bestest pendant for ultimate maximum damage output and range. And HTP has pretty niche uses that aren't for maximizing damage but rather as an emergency option to fill secondary stats if for whatever reason you can't equip a weapon without it.

 

I think some players still use htp. eg: people who go toad as htp has higher weapon/magic def

Also, super end game thiefs who chaos their htp for 38-40 luk would prefer htp

 

Also, very nice bow. otw to crimson arclancer

 

You're not considered an endgame bowmaster unless you own or perfected a 142ATT Arclancer. Then again, what was the absolute perfect ATT for a clean CAB?
I think it was 107?

 

110 for clean crimson arclancer.
wa145 for perfected.
best bow in the game considering its 90 str requirement,fast att spd, gives 200hp and slightly more dex

 

this server need arans and evans or will keep dying

 

Suppose a Feedback thread then sudden lead to become a weapon,stat, equipment discussion???

 

The Maple Soul Spear being the highest level/quality of a weapon that a DK can farm for (hoping for a 95 attack godly role) is an example of crappy balance/progression because the other 2 spears above it are event only or gach only.

 

What kind of balance are you expecting for dks may I ask?

I think DKs are put at a really good place now with berserk. End game DKs can hit a 110k or higher crit per line on horntails and they have 3 lines.

Paladins who have much better gear than these end game dks will only ever hit 199k in a single line.

If dks get higher lvl spears with normal att spd as opposed to the current slow att spd dragon faltizan etc, wouldnt that be really op? What do you think?

If I could decide, I would call it as an advantage that my class' end game weapon could be farmed easily during events. I would take that opportunity to make the best weapon I can since its dirt cheap during event.

Im a bowmaster and the best weapon out there for us is the crimson arclancer bow. If only we could buy them for 250 coins during events.. sadly this isnt the case so we're stuck with shitty bows like dsb/nisrocks which require 105-115str.
#absurd

 

i feel very offended by this