i have also tried your method of asking around for pink teddy pieces! i asked about 7 bishops (who were leeching someone at teddys) if they have pink teddy omok pieces, and after asking all 7 of them i was fortunate enough to get 5 omok pieces! unfortunately there are no more channels so i can't go around asking for any more. i am calling out your "less than 1 hour if you ask at pink teddies" for omok pieces since nobody here had more than 3 omok pieces.
Distributing omok sets is not the only way to promote omok. There are other ways to promote omok, such as: - Encouraging others to make omok sets and play omok. If the supply of omok tables increases because more people are going out and making them (not you obviously since all you've done is complain on this thread instead of making your own table), the supply increases and price will fall. - Organize omok games or tournaments that offer prizes to winners. - Raise awareness that Maplers should not NPC or drop their omok pieces (as they are used to make omok sets, and increasing the number of omok sets means more people can play). These are just a few that I can name off the top of my head, there are many more. You must learn to differentiate between MapleRoyals (a game) and real life. MapleRoyals is not real life. Unless I'm missing something, Dimitri never said that you would buy an omok set for 100mil. To be able to buy an omok set, it would be the rather expensive 200-300m (I personally have seen them at much cheaper prices but that's not the point). This increased price is because of the "buyers laziness" that he mentioned. Rather, he said that if you bought the raw ingredients needed to make an omok set, they would run you (at a maximum cost) 100m. This is where MapleRoyals differs from real life. In real life, it is very unrealistic to go and buy the individual ingredients needed to make a can of Coke and then make it. There would be mixing processes and other things that would render it inefficient and more expensive. However, in MapleRoyals, it is very easy (and much cheaper) to go buy the ingredients to make an omok set and then make it yourself (as compared to buying it in the market for an increased price). All you do is collect the ingredients, bring them to a NPC, and the omok set is yours. I will repeat: MapleRoyals is not real life. I don't think it makes you seem assholeish, it just shows that you aren't putting much effort into the issue that you started a thread on and have continued to defend. Another instance of you not putting in effort is the fact that you've wasted so much time on this thread instead of making an omok set yourself. You keep repeating how unreasonable it is for people to pay ___ mesos (you largely inflate this amount, you say an omok set is 300m but very rarely do I see them up for that much, and even less of the time are these sets sold) for an omok set or spend ___ hours on an omok set (again you inflate this amount). However, for some people who truly care about omok, the meso or time investment is worth it. Collecting 99 of each piece and finally making the set is rewarding. What do you think should be done about the fact that many players (including myself) have already collected 99 of each piece to make an omok set? If the amount of pieces to make a set is reduced to 50, should I receive a bonus omok set? What about if the amount of pieces is reduced to 10? You solely defending your (constantly changing) point is not a very convincing argument for change. I have yet to see a group of supporters for your point form. You seem to be the only one truly fighting for this change, and there is no reason to deviate from the current state of affairs because the complaining and lack of effort of one person. If the entire community was fighting for this change, that would be a different story. Even if just the entire omok community was fighting for this change, it would be a different story. But they aren't. At the moment, it seems to be just you. Others have not had the same problem you are having. Some, such as Dimitri, have been able to collect the omok pieces much faster than you have been able to (although it doesn't seem like you've spent much time trying at all). Others have reported the same long grind that you complain about, but even knowing the time investment that it takes, they still don't complain or argue for a change. To them, obviously the time investment is worth it. Until you can show that there are other people fighting for this change, I don't see reason for any further discussion. Following this thread has been nice (despite your changing arguments and flawed logic), but I believe it is not longer a constructive use of time; mine, yours, staff, or otherwise. You may continue to discuss, questioning or arguing with or discrediting things I and others have said or will say. However, I strongly believe that it is a waste of time, and instead you should try to make your own omok set (despite the "enormous" time investment needed). Or, you could just play the game. MapleRoyals is a wonderful server, with many things to offer, omok included (for most that are willing to put in the work to play). Or, you could do other productive things with your time. The options are limitless. I apologize if this post comes off as rude, attacking, or offensive in any way. I often get carried away when trying to make a point. I wish you the best of luck in your Royaling (Royalling? Mapling? Idk). Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays.
1. you clearly did not understand my first point. i shall draw a picture for you to illustrate also what do you think i'm trying to do right now in order to promote omok? all your other methods are in my honest opinion, very ineffective or can be easily solved through a simple change in the code. your methods involve much more work on the community's part when it can easily be resolved via game design 2. okay fine we can use his terms instead of mine. that point was to address the fact that he didn't think omok was truly as expensive as it is. he thought "laziness price" is a different price not attached to the "true price" of omok. and since the "true price" of omok isn't very high, it's not something to consider. in no way, shape, or form should you neglect the "laziness price" as being attached to the object because the "laziness price" is dependent on the object itself. the laziness price changes for every item, so it should be considered with the item and not separate. my point in bringing up real life--something we can all relate to--was to show how his logic fails repeatedly in every aspect. thank you for your philosophical beliefs on how this game is not real life though 3. actually i often respond through phone when i'm out and about doing things. sometimes im on my laptop like right now where i can draw beautiful pictures for you. also the reason why the posts are low-effort and low-grammar are so they don't take up much time. this post is taking me about 7 minutes to respond with. thats why i was asking if i should dedicate more time like maybe 10 minutes to be more proper. ill probably just buy a set tbh 4. if you already collected the pieces that sucks to suck man. if you feel like youre "entitled" to more, well, that's not to my discretion. its not like a large number of people are out there actively farming omok pieces as a marketable item. it loses to almost every other thing you can farm out there 5. my point isn't constantly changing it's been the same. omok is too difficult to get. omok is good for people. why is there a barrier or hurdle preventing good things from happening to people in the first place? ideally they should be handing out omok sets to anyone who asks. why? because it promotes fun gameplay and interaction amongst the community. nexon later made it easier to get omok in later versions because they realized this. why can't mapleroyals implement this too is my question 6. happy christmas to you too
Like I said in my previous post, I'm not going to bother replying to this thread or your posts (@OP). As you can probably tell, it's pretty obvious that the GM's aren't going to take action. All I have to say is this: In the future, I would recommend defending/fighting for a cause that is actually supported by more people than just you. That will allow it to be considered much more seriously.
So out of all the potential solutions we've offered you, you've only tried one of them which happened not to gain you as much as you hoped for at the time, and now you rush to call out the method as one that doesn't work. Somehow that sounds to me like you've only given a tiny bit of effort, and are expecting huge results. How about all the other things that have been offered to you? So one player has offered to give you an Omok set if you could beat him, then another player offered you her spare Omok pieces since she doesn't use them, and then I suggested you could also try asking islanders for pieces since they have a bunch but can't use them. With which I meant, that you could have even asked me coz I literally told you I have around 200 pig pieces and like 60 mushroom ones that I won't ever use since we don't have Omok on the island. (And also because I absolutely hate playing Omok, but I still do play it once in a while whenever someone challenges me) Yes, your laziness shows which was exactly what my previous post was explaining into deep detail. Since you, the lazy player, do not want to put in any form of effort to obtain your one Omok Set, you seem to keep limiting yourself to only a few options: You consider buying an Omok Set for the 'laziness included' price of 200 to 300m, but you don't want to because it's expensive. You half arsed try out 1 out of many possible ways to get Omok pieces, and don't succeed. Ask GMs to please lower the amount of Omok pieces needed in a set, which we won't consider for various reasons. These 3 steps are a vicious circle that keep you in the same spot, and as long as you refuse to put in any form of effort, I doubt you will break free from this circle anytime soon. And as long as you don't put in any form of effort so to say, you should not expect us to respect you at such a level where we want to carry you to the promised land of Omok, because as it is we're far from that. I've provided you with potential methods on how to obtain Omok pieces, The community has offered you help in obtaining Omok pieces, and yet here you are moaning about not having an Omok Set, and that you're probably just going to buy one. What exactly is wrong in this scenario? It's obvious to me and to the rest of us who read this, but is it also to you? Because I kind of question that, often. I have to agree with Rumor that there are many ways for a player to promote what he or she loves to do on this server, and I have to add to that, that this thread is not an example of how to promote something. Like I've said before, you can for example use the community forums: https://royals.ms/forum/forums/community.11/ In these forums you will find a lot of features promoted by the community, that did not require any GM's attention, such as the Islander and Ironman challenges but also many other community events like giveaways and such. And the beauty of it is that you don't have to be limited to just using that forum, you can combine it with other ways of promotion such as the Shoutbox, Super Megaphones, Chalkboards (when they work properly again), and last but not least you can just spread the word in all chat. Now you'll probably read this post, not like it too much because I don't provide a special snowflake kind of attention that you hoped for, but please keep this in mind: I'm not trying to make you sound like a bad person, I'm not trying to burn down Omok, and I'm not trying to ruin your day either. What I am trying however, is to convince you that a lot in life is possible if you work for it, and that laziness is very often not the answer. And then once you actually start working for it, rather than posting about it, you will find that it really isn't as bad as you make it sound to be. That is the problem with laziness, portraying small bumps on the roads as mountains that you believe you can never conquer, and not willing to see how it really is. Now this thread has been going on for about 15 days, and if I may be honest.. I could've farmed over 20 Omok sets in these 15 days if I cared about Omok at all. Which brings me to the question, why haven't you? And don't bring in the argument of it taking 7 hours, because the post about it taking 7 hours was written by a 2nd job f/p mage, the absolute slowest grinding job in the game. (Even beginners are faster, since they have weapon speed variety)
I mean tbh its like an hour or two of grinding mushrooms/slimes, or just literally spend like 40m to buy the pieces and make it yourself. btw I'm currently looking for people to play in omok <3 I swear 80% of the people who were actually good at omok quit a year ago ^^
Dude it's been finals week. What do you think? I'm busy. I also find it funny that you'd quote someone who was trying to troll me as a viable method of obtaining omok. And for your next method of browsing maple island for omok pieces, I shall try that next and get back to you with it. I'm just pointing out that the idea that "you can get a pink Teddy omok set in 40 minutes" is false because nobody farms pink Teddy omok pieces. I've already asked around in that area and the reason is because the map is split pink Teddy and brown Teddy, with the former being less abundant in the map. Also nobody actively goes to pick up pink Teddy omok drops. I'm pointing out that it was an exaggeration that pink Teddy pieces are more abundant because they are not more abundant than any other piece. I am questioning that guy's strategy as being implausible in case anyone else wants to followup with it.
Also, wouldn't you argue this forum thread is an effort to change the community for the better? So that if there's a change in how omok sets are obtained, then everyone after me can enjoy omok more? How many players could then enjoy omok, enjoy the community, have fun with others, and not have to go through the grueling process of obtaining omok pieces? You guys focus this on me a lot, you're pretty obsessed with me as a player or as a person instead of the community as a whole. It's quite flattering, that you think this is an individual problem with my personality. But really I've been saying it's a community related issue this entire time. None of the solutions you offered has community level impact. "Use shoutbox and smegas to get people to play omok" as if that would suddenly motivate people to overcome the barrier to make an omok set. It is better from a community perspective to advocate for removing the barrier completely. If you guys can stop focusing on me and think of the server as a whole. You're right, omok isn't a priority. Leeching, grinding, bossing, I think those are the big three things in the game. Nobody really "cares" about omok in the sense that it's not part of the game because it's by definition a minigame. And that's fine. Here is a chance to offer the community something to do besides the big three. Here is a chance to unite players in a fun way, to keep the community social, and to retain players. Here is a chance to offer a method of relaxation in what is a casual side activity, not the main activity. It's preposterous to treat the minigame with the same attitude as the real game because at the end of the day, it's not changing any part of your big three activities. If you do not care about omok or making it easier to obtain or promoting community interactions or engagements, that's your choice. You've made it evidently clear that it was easier to harp on OP than it was to think of "how bad can it be to just make it 50 or 10 or no pieces at all". That's also a straw man argument. My person does not change whether or not omok is good or bad for the community and whether or not you should be interested in promoting it. What I do with my time is also a straw man argument and doesn't change the fact that not many players play omok in this server compared to others. I guess the game developer representatives have made their position relatively clear that they don't care about community perspective and care more about individual perspective--and particular, in OP's perspective. If you can correct me on this, I'll be glad to continue to work towards a community level solution because that's what I've been after since the start.
The problem with you claiming it's a community wide problem, is that the community has shown in this thread that they disagree with your statement about this being the case. And since they have done that, it's no longer a community wide problem, but the problem is just yours and maybe a handful of others if even. So at that point we all wonder; is the intention behind this solution you've proposed to help the community, or is the intention just to help yourself since you've admit to being too lazy to spend 2 hours farming an Omok set? I can give you the answer to this question, the community can give you the answer to this question, but I don't think you can if you still believe what you've just said in your previous post.
Lol 10 people railing me on the forums isn't representative of the entire community or representative of the omok community, either. If you take this small crowd as proof, you'll find selection bias away from the casual community. But this brings up an interesting point to conduct a survey amongst the community to determine whether or not I'm the only one who views this as an issue. I'll get back to you on this
It's true that not too many players have replied in this thread, so let me rephrase it to what holds larger numbers. As of this very minute, 215 users have read this thread. How many of those have shown support towards your suggestion? Truly, if they agreed with your suggestion to be a good one and they saw you were getting 'railed on' as you would call it, wouldn't they try to help you defend your argument? I'm not saying it's too late for them to do so, but all I can see at this point is that nobody really has.
Thats a horrible way to guage community opinions. Don't worry I'll ask people in the community and poll responses and let you know what people think. I actually interpret it that most people don't care about omok either way it goes and they just want to see what people are arguing about as opposed to picking a side. It's not like this change can hurt people, it can only improve people's lives. Most people i talk to either way dont care. Theyll play omok if someone has a set but no one will or wants to go through the trouble of getting one. It's a quality of life change that is positive with no foreseeable negative consequence.
Well if you want, we can add a poll to this thread and perhaps that would show us more information. If my theory about the community not supporting a potential change in the amount of omok pieces per omok set is wrong, I will be one of the first to apologize to you and I will leave this thread open. However if it proves my theory to be right, I will ask of you to accept that the suggestion will not be taken into consideration for implementation. Does this sound fair to you?
Sure. But perhaps it will be best to create a new thread with a poll; I can do that later. It'd be best to dissociate myself with the poll because I have created many enemies here, you'll get biased results. There's some problems with accurate data by me creating enemies with everyone here by trying to fight the GMs. I will also do some more in-game research first (when I do get around to playing, still haven't really had time for the past 3 weeks) to get a better understanding of the community opinion on the matter.
Hey man, please don't see us as your enemies as that is not our intention. All we want from you is that when you come forth with your suggestion, that this suggestion is well researched and well set up. If you do all that, and we get to read a well written suggestion that comes across as convincing, the results may be completely different than they are showing to be right now. But to achieve that, you will have to invest some time to get all your facts straight, and to look at all the pros and cons of your suggestion. So instead of seeing it as us putting you in a negative spotlight, try seeing it as us challenging your motivation and use this challenge to try to prove us wrong without feeling railed on.
You claim that it's a horrible idea to gauge the community's opinion based on this thread yet here you are using (or trying rather) this thread to grab supporting opinions... it just so happens that nobody is on your side that's why you said that. Save yourself the trouble of doing more research because nobody here gives a shit at this point, you got your point across numerous times and nobody agrees. Try to get out of your bubble for once and realize that your idea isn't supported by everyone. Also people here have literally offered you free omok pieces yet you haven't responded to any them, why? You obviously read them so why do you choose to ignore them? Is your pride that hard to swallow? You and I and everybody else here all know that this thread has gone on for long enough and continuing this isn't gonna add anything new, the only reason you're still fighting is for the sake of fighting. Just drop it dude, it's not about winning or losing, you had an idea which you thought was good but turned out otherwise, it's okay it happens. I'm a sucker for shitposts and can't help but read stuff like this so for my sake I'll straight up give you my omok set cause it's rustled me beyond what I'd like to admit. My ign is Skcans, please accept my gift and let go of this thread. I'll even throw in a christmas tree chair along with it so PLEASE ACCEPT THEM. One last thing, can everybody here do yourselves a favor and just stop responding to this thread, op can't have a discussion with himself and this thread will slowly fade away.
might as well ask for more exp boosts also so players can connect better and all boss together without having to grind as much :^)
