Price disparity between Chaosed & 'normal' gear

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    The way to do this is the decrease the nx we can get drastically. White Scrolls come from gach. Many perfect end game weapons come from gach. The reason we have more is because we have free nx and it isn't pay to win.

    People still need to invest time and mesos into this game to get perfect end game weapons and I think we should be respectful of that. Also, unless someone manages to land 2~ 30's on a weapon, usually a perfect weapon is more expensive to make than it is to just buy outright, but people like having that sense of accomplishment. Some people have spent a long time on these servers and to have 1 or 2 perfect weapons does not seem unreasonable to me. And it is still rare, but maybe they are selling it so that they can start a new character. So it isn't like people are just making this out of fun; they've used it, spent money and time on it, and now they no longer need it. I don't see anything wrong with trying to sell something you no longer need.
     
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    Idk I had a perfect sky ski along with a ton of other shit within like 4 months of starting here. Sure I spent an absurd amount of time leeching and making money, but it isn't hard.. If you are trying to perfect a weapon it really doesn't take all that much time in my opinion. I may be coming back and I'll log how long it takes me. Sincr I joined the amount of perfect clean weapons and perfectly scrolled (or just unfinished) weapons has increased exponentially. Always knew 8k nx per vote was just too much

    There are some circumstances where the argument "they spent a lot of time" shouldn't be valid. Not everything should be available freely just because "it takes time", there should be a certain rarity behind it. Like 23+ att capes and shoes. You can't just dump 50b and 2 years worth of time to get those, it may NEVER happen. There's a certain rarity behind them and there may never be more created.

    Idk where I'm going with this, but I always thought perfect weapons should be rare and coveted, not as simple as "dump 300 hours into leeching and here's your end game perfect weapon tada". Thankfully SOME items still retain this rarity such as skullcrushers and perfect sleeves and skis because they are actually rare
     
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    perfect gear should exist, i don't really see the problem and all fuss about it, it's not something you need to play the game, it's just an addition to make the game easier.
     
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    I guess I just don't personally find the game enjoyable when everyone is running around maxed out. This is purely an example, but if EVERYONE was running around as a level 200, or if every other person had near maxed ranges for their class due to the availability of godly equipment, I'd find the game a bit boring, but that's just me
     
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    well i doubt the majority hear runs around being maxed out, so that's not really an issue that i notice at the moment. but even after years people will eventually manage to snatch the good equipments, as they become more common.
     
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    Oh I know the majority doesn't. But it's been about 10 months maybe since I first got here and I can say that in another year the gear situation will be..a little ridiculous in my opinion. The amount of 9+ att capes for sale has increased by ten fold alone - that isn't a huge deal, but the way the trend is going, if I came back in another 8 months I wouldn't be surprised if the selling forums was filled with 12-16 att capes, shoes, and near perfected weapons. I'll just go ahead and wait and say I told you so in due time because nobody really seems to believe me.

    And I fully understand if that's not something you care about, it's just something I care about with what I look for in my games
     
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    Id be fine with lowering the amount of NX we get per vote. However this again, doesnt help with those who have already stockpiled absurd sums of NX.
     
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    That's ultimately what's going to happen the longer a game lasts. Time passes, more people focus on improving their characters, and eventually you have godly people running around everywhere. Nothing you can do about it unless you wipe or change some things around to artificially extend the time it takes to reach that goal*, and I doubt many people would want that.

    *I'm referring to things like changing the rates of white scrolls or lowering NX for voting like has been said in this thread, for example. However, these kinds of changes would be extremely unfair since people have had plenty of time to get godly/perfect gear already, and that wouldn't change what already exists. You also have to consider that some savvy people might see this kind of thing being discussed, and start hoarding ahead of time in case a change like this did happen.
     
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    Unfortunately I feel like there will be a circular argument of how it's unfair for everyone else that the older players got so much more nx and got all the benefits that came along with it. I think we had this conversation in relation to hp washing over the summer
     
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    I honestly don't think decresing nx will really be that significant anyway. And to be honest, I don't know about you guys but most godly or maxed out people don't even play on that character. They're usually restarting a character, afk in fm, or taking a break. And as the server gets older, there will always be an increase of people who are maxed out. It just means that those people have been around longer and put in more time than others who have more recently joined.

    Also, those 23 atk shoes are rare precisely because of chaos. You are never guaranteed anything whereas you are with 10% scrolls and white scrolls.

    You mention skis and sleeves, but it also takes an incredible amount of time/mesos to maybe be able to craft perfect bows/guns as well too. (Also based on luck.)
    They also mentioned that a new world could be considered once the new source comes out, so if it really bothers you at that point and the server seems to full of godly people, then maybe that would be the place for everyone who wants to start fresh.
     
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    WHAT? CONFIRMED NEW WORLD HYPE!!!
     
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    A new world is not confirmed. They said it was a possibility that they would think about once the new source was up.
     
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    ^ That sounds dangerously close to communism imo and I am highly against it. I'm pretty sure that will never be implemented as well. MapleRoyals is a game of progression, you improve on your stuff and your character as time goes by.

    Furthermore, then people with lower level characters would literally have to wait until 155+ to join a boss to have a chance at getting a book such as gen30/mw20. 135 for CORE SKILLS like aca and tt. Not only is this completely unreasonable, you would be sitting in a 1-2hr boss to possibly get the WRONG book.(This is because no one would be willing to risk taking buyers along on a run when almost everyone requires a book of some sort. Even if they didn't, you would literally have one buyer trying to pick up ALL the skillbooks until they got the right one. Most people charge 20-25m per sb, that's like 100-125m if you find yours within 5 loots. Absolutely inconceivable for a NECESSARY sb like aca or tt.) Also, how would you even know what to loot? You fuck up a 2 hr horntail by looting someone's tt30 and they get your gen 30.

    How do you propose to get rid of leech and also get rid of the only way a person would be able to grind those levels?


    TLDR: Sounds like communism, would never ever agree to this, and I'm sure it would never happen either.
     
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    no, you ask your friends or do a quick search. saying that's "impossible" is ridiculous

    you need to elaborate on this because it makes no sense
     
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    this thread has nothing to do with hidden skillbooks or communism in the real world, i suggest making a separate thread if you think that more unfairness should be added to the game
     
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    Communism looks good on paper. Please find me a real world location that has had a good experience with it. I think there's a real reason why most countries don't use that type of system.

    Make mesos just like how I did. Go on boss runs, npc stuff, gach stuff. i have never sold leech and got gen 30 by participating in a run. You get what you put in. Don't make others put stuff in so you can have better results.
     
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    You can if you want, or you could make a price check thread like everyone else.

    You can owl every item, you just choose not to. Doesn't make it impossible.
     
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    then you ask plenty on the forums and do other things while you wait for him to say "Worthless". i think you are pissed off about your recent skillbook failing and you're taking it out on these feedback threads. if that's the case then i suggest cooling off. if that's not the case then make your own thread with your skillbook idea, this thread is about chaosed items vs non-chaosed items and their long term impact on the economy and whether people like it or not
     
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    If it is a normal item and it isn't godly, it is worthless. There, I saved you the trouble.
     
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    Warning to stay on topic from now on. I digressed as well and was off topic which is why no one was warned. This thread is for chaosed items. Please post about them or make a different thread.

    Regardless of if you think your unification theory is or isn't communism, it has no place in this thread.
     
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