Problems that players faced in MapleRoyals

I think fixing HP wash now just going to create much more problems (like low lv leech, nx spending, int gears/scroll price n market price overall etc)
But there should be a cap to it, because 30k HP max on ranged classes are just ridiculous.

 

Will devalue my 30k hp morytania locked ironman

 

I'm new to the server (and game really) and still learning all the horrible implications of changes but, would there be any complications with making specifically AP Resets available through another route? Perhaps an untradeable quest reward.

This would free up players to spend their NX on other things that actually feel good - shop permits, rocks, or just swag. As it stands, you basically need NX to participate in the end-game (or at least the fun part i.e killing high level shit you aren't supposed to yet). Knowing that as a new player feels daunting - I started the game with a Hero, then quit at level 35 when I realized that there was no way I'd be able to farm the necessary resources before HP Washing levels to make him viable.

Of course I have alternatives and can play any class, but at some point the need to HP wash will bite your ass. Making it a quest reward and then adjusting the amount of time it takes to complete that quest to match the amount of time it takes to do it now with NX, might be nice.

tldr; pro's and con's for making a AP Reset Repeatable Quest
Pro's:

• Free up NX to use for other things
• Quest can scale so that levels 20-30 it asks you for a certain item, levels 31-40 asks for another
  • This can ensure you always have the opportunity to do a reset, and don't have t wait till end-game to start "buying and washing" with NX.
• Repeatable quest allows you to grind it out rather than sit in FM spamming "B> AP RESETS NAO"
• Gives an opportunity to fix old characters if enough work is put in.

Con's:

• That same amount of work can just be put into creating a new character.
• AP Resets are a huge part of the economy, so I can imagine there will be an implication here.
• More things to do at end-game to be viable.

Again I'm new and don't know shit, but I'd love to discuss

 

I think people forget that at the end of the day, this is a low rate server. Anyone coming in need to have a mindset to be ready for the grind.

I've helped so many guildies in the past whether it was with free leech, free eqs and whatnot just to make their lives at lower levels easier. But at some point there's only so much I can do to help and when it's time for them to stand on their own two feet to do the work, they vanish. I've seen it too many times - the low rate server is just not for them. More often than not, it was the ones that weren't begging for items or free leech that stuck around. Surprise.

Yes, making a mage is the advice to newbies starting out, whether or not they like the class. It is a fact that mages are the best class for farming. It certainly is NOT compulsory, but if you want to reach your goal faster, that's what you do, and that's why it's the advice dished out everywhere.

The grind is never going to end, whether it is grinding out as a newbie to fund basic items, grinding through low levels, funding int eq for hp washing your new attacker, grinding out pqs and bosses once you reach level, grinding even more to buy attack eq, grinding to upgrade your attack eq, grinding to reach 200.

Having been through every one of those stages (except reaching 200 lul), as countless of players before me have, I'd say that those initial challenges you face as a newbie is essential because this game is not easy. The sooner they learn that, the sooner they can decide if the server is right for them.

 

I think is great you are bringing attention to a new player's concern. Here is my reply..

I think part of the reason, because of our large player base, we generally get a lot of bad feedbacks. In my opinion, some of them lack of thought, suggests changes that directly or indirectly that benefits themselves or use "Memes'' or really use a joking tone to explain their views. Sometimes feedback ends up becoming new players vs experienced players and staffs do not always reply/address them, which creates a view that feedback here is useless or get ignored.

Here are some examples.

Increase Genesis Droprates - Because rich players are hoarding Genesis Books
Full Server Wipe - To attract new players and everybody has reached their goals
FUN FUN FUN - He use word FUN too many times before he edit it, and his tone is very very informal. (1)(2)
Stop xxx at it's core, Nerf yyy - The intention for these posts are great, but title makes their solution sound very generalising.
Remove Zakum Jump Quest - Is too hard

I am banned, therefore I make a feedback

- ToS is too strict, therefore unban me
- One time chance to unban perm-ban players
- But ToS say... 30 days​

Spoiler: Of course, there are times when the feedback is taken seriously

Maplestory Everstone
Monster Carnival 2 Party Quest buff
Limiting rare prices awarded at GM jump quests
Adjusting Dojo HP bar

Of course, it will greatly help in the future, players like us will not immediately shoot down feedbacks made by others. Instead of saying, no it never work here to maybe if change it to that way it might work and give suggestions too.

Of course, if the Lie Detector is implemented, we need to consider having cooldowns and idea of it not working in Bossing maps, I believe the merits and faults of such a system should have it's own discussion thread. To avoid making this discussion from being too confusing and messy.

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On the issue of HP washing, I think it must be informed to casual players or players who just want to tick their off bucket list. The game is viable for them to fight and just survive the core GMS bosses (Zakum, Horntail maybe with Hyper Body at higher levels). I think is also the reason why there is hardly any complaint about HP washing regarding bosses that requires high HP requirements of non-core bosses like Castellan Toad/ The Boss / Shaolin since a lot of feedback revolves around surviving Horntail. For players who are more wants to play the game long term or till completion, they have to prepare to grind just like the old MapleStory, most people don't really realize MapleStory is a farming/grinding simulator with cute chibi characters. It came from South Korea, whatever I see a Korean name, I know I will have a tough time in any game.

 

To that player, it depends if youre on this game for the most efficient method or most enjoyable experience for yourself(varies from player to player no duh). Also i have tried sniping newties, sometimes the exp is better than leeching (provided i dont accidentally die)

If you literally just joined this server with the fixed goal in mind having the highest hp range and level as fast as possible, then yes creating a mage, hs mule, will be the go to way for you.

As for hackers, i just came across this on youtube, i believe they are doing their best. But hackers are good at the things they do. Unless our gms are some top tier professional hacker, hackers cant be stopped :C ()

Most probably the player becomes a liability (needs HB) because his party consists of old/experienced players that have graduated/upgraded/moved on/advanced from their "liability character".

I played this game for the old skills and i can say im proof that you dont need to start with a bishop or hp wash. The thing is just that I had an even longer grinding route which i liked (call me crazy). Since all my chars didnt have good funding, i had low damage and no mesos to buy leech, so i pretty much grinded to 120, camped in temple of time until 140+ and do some pqs when i get bored.. While doing so, i tagged along with quint krex/ zak exp runs, to get free helms exp and skillbooks, each zak run took 45mins, krex took 1hour per run (also sometime had chatting session during the run and it became 1.5hours... but at least it was fun). And i would say that whole party of 6, everyone was around the same starting point as me in this grindy game.
Only after a year into this game, then my buddylist and guilds slowly became ppl that are talking about mesos in terms of bils, how strong are you, whats your hp goal etc.

After all it is a low rate server where grinding is inevitable but that also gives the satisfaction to the player once they have reached the next phase in the game.

My story,
1st char bucc : grinded till 140+ before bucc buff, learnt about hp washing and started adding int at 140+,
2nd char drk : grinded till 140, realised still not easy to join boss runs
3rd char mm : grinded till 120+, continued + bought leech till 135, easy to join boss content with SE, earn more moneh, realised i can hp wash more, added int at lvl150 AGAIN, still washing currently, but able to do all boss content except bodyguard.
4th char shad : grinded because i like bstep and never made a thief before in other maple servers.
5th char i/l : stopped at 67, didnt like playing mages
6th char slinger : planned to hp wash this, have literally leeched my way to lvl 54 as of now because of nice ppl willing to carry me through pqs (not buying leech from mages). And this char is only created after 3 years since i joined this game. (effectively i only played 1 year)
#stillnomage

 

sadly thats one of the gm who ruined mapleroyal too

 

oh my, what thing happened :O. I dont know much things that involve gm

 

all sort but mostly abuse like giving items and rwt

 

I clarified what I meant by my first post on the second page, it addresses most of the things you said

 

Give people just enough HP to survive HT without HB, and let the washed ones keep their extra HP. No one loses anything, problem solved.

 

HP washing will never be fixed in this server. Veteran players and GMs have invested lots of time and effort into HP washing. They will not implement a fix that render all that time and effort useless.

HP washing essentially means sacrificing early game content (levels 1~135) for late game bossing content (levels 135~200). Most players spend the majority of their MapleRoyals life playing late game content. It makes sense to hp wash to survive the bosses.

MapleRoyals is a server that focuses heavily on late game bossing content. Players/GMs that advocate "hp wash is optional" is spouting nonsense. All of them hp wash. HP washing is COMPULSORY to enjoy playing MapleRoyals.

The correct way for a new player to play MapleRoyals is:

1. Create a character without hp washing to experience the early game content.
   
2. Make a mage for money-making.
   
3. Create another character with hp washing to experience the late game content.

The fact that a player has to create three different characters to enjoy the full content of the game means that MapleRoyals is a broken game. But that's ok, because it is afterall a private server. It is non-profiting and runs on donations. One should not expect too much.

 

One should not brush away complaints just because they aren't mandatory. Lots of things are not mandatory but still important.

You only need mandatory ingredients like air, food and water to live. Friendships are not mandatory to live but important.

What you're saying is like: "You don't have to make friends. No one is forcing you to make friends. You can be alone and it can be empowering. You live your life however you want it. "

What you're not saying is how HARD life will be without friendships.

HP washing is not mandatory to play MapleRoyals. HP washing is mandatory to enjoy playing MapleRoyals. Unless you are the minority that don't mind being an outcast and feels ok being unwelcomed by most end game bossing parties.