Regarding rules of dropping meso and the mouse wheel @gm or player

While I love bombing it doesn't just destroy the boss...

 

Just wanted to give my thoughts on the whole 1:2 thing.

As I mentioned before (and I could be wrong) the heart of the issue of having no macros was to prevent people from “robot play” afk farming heart stoppers, exp farming, ect.


Here is a scenario: you are a bishop who has landed in Orbis and want to get to the Victoria island boat in order to get there you decide to teleport across the map. This requires you to put two inputs into the keyboard the right key on the keyboard and the button bound to your teleport skill. The result of these 2 actions is that your character teleports to the screen to the right once (a 2:1 action) EXCEPT…. After a few seconds, he teleports again…

and again…

and again…

Suddenly the two inputs you gave your character from they keyboard resulted in the same action being repeated 20-30 maybe even more, as long as you continue to hold those two keys.


Now if the scenario was that you wanted to farm leather in Perion using teleport and an attack and you set up a macro to teleport pause attack teleport pause attack ect… that would obviously be wrong, snice after the initial setup you could use that macro to farm stuff while the player is not even around.


I don’t see how mouse keys + scroll wheel is any different from the first situation in terms of the 1 action to x results. It is requiring a continuous action to be performed by the player, which like the right key and teleport bound button, if no longer continued will result in the player's action stopping.


Macros are defined to be a single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions to perform a particular task. In the case of mouse keys + scroll wheel, there is only one instruction being performed “click” which performs one task “drop mesos”. I would feel a lot safer with a gm confirming this is the case though. Give some shadowers some lovin'

 

Totally agree, didn't even think about how teleporting as a mage is a 2:x exchange. It's a good example.

 

Just bumping this thread since there weren't any GM's that replied. A few of my shadower buddies are still worried about getting permabanned for using a scroll wheel + mouse keys to drop.

I'm going to link the forum moderators to this thread... hopefully, you are all fine with that >_<
@Evan @Kai @Sila
Would you guys be willing to read through this forum thread and give your thoughts on this? Or maybe be able to find a GM familiar with shadowers\mousekeys?
Thanks in advance!

 

I'm a shadower as well, glad to see there are other players care about this job

I think the problem is, it's hard to tell a player drop meso automatically(only need to click one button to start dropping tons of meso without effort ) or manually (by using rebind keys or other ways,but still need to click a lots of times for meso drop), since both of them accomplish the same result, it's hard for other players to tell a shadower is dropping their meso automatically or not.

 

What is the current consensus on this? Is it bannable? Should it be? Exactly what are the unfair advantages that spawn from this meso-dropping method?

 

Can someone tell me if using mouse scrolls is bannable?

 

bump, i really want to know too. My keyboard dont allow me to use mousekey method so this is the only way for me to drop faster.

 

Is a bannable offense as you were told by an ex gm in shoutbox

 

I’ve been busy with work for last few days so I missed out some of the discussion about shadows and scroll wheels. Mainly @Vend ban and the closed discussion on feedback listed below:

https://royals.ms/forum/threads/closure-on-the-use-of-mouse-wheel-to-drop-mesos.124867/#post-711137

https://royals.ms/forum/threads/permanent-ban-request.124889/


First of all, I want to thank a gm for actually addressing the issue as the question was posed on December first 2017 and a lot of us shadowers have been waiting for an answer.


So without further delay I SUMMON THE ELDER COUNCIL OF SHADOWERS!
@LeftySoulz @iCookies @NamerUse @Elysian


Also @Tim @Matt


I think most of our concerns were posted in this thread and the one started by Vend listed above, however I will try to condense them into a nice format:


I’m sure opinions will vary from person to person but I think most of us shadowers can agree on one thing: The rules are not very clear.


Issue #1) The Terms and Conditions 1:1 rule
There are many scenarios where this rule doesn’t work. (Right arrow + teleport button = x teleports while held down 2:x, mouse key = double click 1:2 ect)


Issue #2) The Terms and Conditions of third-party programs rule
Some 3rd party programs are required to even allow keyboards and mice to work. If those mice or keyboards have better response times that is gaining an advantage over other players? Rebinding keys are done in 3rd party programs. Some keyboards have a copy and paste button. What is allowed and what isn’t?


Issue #3) The use of meso explosion
Meso explosion is a core skill of shadowers. I am sure every shadower will agree with me clicking the mouse for meso explosion is painful. Physically. If you don’t agree try clicking the mouse as fast as possible for 2 hours while attempting not to move it at all. I am sure people here have done more than two hours of bossing before too so that isn’t even the worst scenario. We NEED an alternative to click mashing.

Issue #4) The balance of meso explosion
There is no doubt about it when used in combination with a scroll wheel meso explosion does a lot of damage against bosses, but it also costs a lot of money. I think that while looking at balance of the skill it is important to look at not just the maximum damage but the cost as well. 40-60 mill to do zakum in a party 100-120 mill for krex solo ect. I personally like high cost/risk high reward skills and gameplay but that's just me. Something that could do with some more discussion.

Issue #5) Pay to win equipment
If someone spends $50 on a nice mouse with a fast scroll wheel should he be allowed to use it? If someone has a good internet connection and grabs items dropped faster is that fair? Opening more clients on a better computer? ect


As a final few words, I just want to say I love playing royals when I have the time. It is great that Matt and Tim and the other GM’s helped keep one of my favorite childhood games running even after the real version has gone greedy and pay to win. That being said I really wish my favorite class got a bit more lovin’. I believe we currently have the most bugged skills: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/shadower-skill-not-working-2-bugs.121292/
Including some that have resulted in ban’s. Also missing an easy way to get assassinate 30 and now need to button mash to obtain the best DPS.


I know Tim said no to scroll wheels but I would love some more discussion about the other issues and hopefully, a way spice up shadowers (like Pally's got) because let's face it with the new rule we are kinda weak.

 

Everyone have a seat and listen to @bowmop

 

im kinda agree with you, ppl with a good keyboard and able to drop fast using mousekey method like NamerUse is an advantage, and I believe a mouse with wheel is easier to find than a said keyboard, especially who use notebook. But mousekey is a legit method while binding left click to mousewheel is considered using program to get advantaged over others. Nothing can be done since that is the ToS we agreed from the beginning, like how i accepted that scamming is allowed and had seen "iColgate is a scammer" at least once a day for 2 weeks /s. Anyway, I really hope for a solution for ME that let us drop meso efficient without mousewheel or a special keyboard, for example a default of x number of meso drop after you change from y (like when you change 10 into 5000, all the upcoming bags gonba be 5000 until you change it again.)
P.S: Nevermind, my suggestion just make it worst, you cant combo BS+Assassinate with that.

 

From Tim:

We are allowed to remap keys, which includes left click, as long as it's a 1:1 action still.

 

The direct benefit which you highlighted here is faster meso dropping mean more dps for shadower.

 

And the quote also says that there is no direct benefit benefit in doing so over the default settings.

 

What actually constitute '1 action' in the first place? A slight turn of the knob of a mouse scroll or a complete 360 degrees turn of the wheel? Personally, I do not own a g502 mouse and do not know how it works but if every small knob make 1 click, I do not see how this isn't a 1:1 action.