Regarding the new rule.

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  1. Waiver
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    I'm sorry but what in the name of all holy fuck did you expect when you took a localhost with a removed swear filter?
    For everyone NOT to swear/use obscenities?

    This is more ridiculous than the rollback compensation. You guys are out of your minds. If you're that immensely butthurt by it why not just re-add the swear filter because that's why it was there in the first place!
     
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    re-add the swear filter! if people get so butthurt over words

    what happened to sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me
     
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    If you re-add the swear filter people will just pass it by saying stuff like
    sh1t instead of shit etc.
    + it's annoying with normal words, like when night lord turns into ***ht lord.
     
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    I can't believe people are seriously agruing the use of the N word or any racial slur. Those should be ban period, if you use it a lot be a good chance to get rid of this habit be good for the rest of your life.

    Now for stuff like penis and stuff that need to be in context I think coz just mentioning it isn't really an issue. However if its used in an inapporiate way or is spammed than it should be ban. I honestly don't think its that hard to moderate that.
     
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    I *think* John's post "Some Clarity" has been edited since I first read it - either that or we nearly all managed to misread it in the first place...

    A quote from the post:
    OK, we're not talking about words like "penis" and "vagina" here, are we? We're talking about stuff like casual usage of the word "rape".

    ETA: John's post was last edited by Matt at 19.01 yesterday - which means that a lot of discussion here was from *before* the edit.
     
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    THE WAY HE WAS DRESSED HE WAS ASKING FOR IT oK
     
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    And now, Last edited by Faye; Yesterday at 02:41.

    Supposed to be a last warning, much less word shitting now but still pretty vague though since no examples are given. I could bet my house most of the players here don't even understand the word "slurs" ;)
     
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    As far as I know, "racial slurs" is pretty much a standard term, and it can be looked up by anyone confused by it. However... how are we expected to adhere to a rule clarification when it keeps changing without clear notification? If you hadn't commented on Faye's edit, I wouldn't have known it was there. Changing the wording of a rule is one thing; changing the meaning of it is quite another.
     
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    After you saw it was edited, did you even notice what changed?

    And I don't mean by going back and comparing to the quotes of others--did you legitimately notice what changed in the post on your own before commenting about how the edits were "changing the meaning."

    If not, I doubt it's going to trouble you very much.

    A pretty general rule of thumb is: if you have to question whether or not it's something you're allowed to say...that probably means you shouldn't be saying it.

    I'm happy to provide examples of what is and what is not allowed through a forum PM, but don't expect to see an example publicly posted on the forum by a staff member.
     
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    Yes. You added: "or descriptions of sexual acts" into the sentence I previously quoted from Matt's edit: "In addition, graphic language of a sexually violent nature is not allowed in megaphones."

    Nobody else quoted your edit, or Matt's earlier edit, for that matter, so yes, I discovered what had changed by re-reading John's "Some Clarity" info-post.

    Where I believe I might have confused you is when I said: "If you hadn't commented on Faye's edit, I wouldn't have known it was there" to Saki. Let me clarify what I meant. If Saki hadn't commented that you had also edited the post, I wouldn't have known that anything had changed as I wouldn't have had reason to go back and re-read John's post. I was satisfied with Matt's edit to the post and therefore would have had nothing further to say on the subject - hence no reason to go back and re-read the original in order to formulate a list of constructive suggestions.

    The reason why I noticed Matt's edit in the first place was that, at that point, I could see that a fair number of people were outraged by John's original post, therefore I went back to read the original post in detail to see if there were any constructive suggestions I could make.

    Matt's edit changed the meaning of the original post quite a bit, but as I have said, I was fine with that change. Your edit once again changed the meaning, and although I have no personal objection to keeping the content of Smegas clean, I would prefer not having to keep re-reading rules and rule clarifications to see what has been changed. If there's any significant updates/changes/clarifications, I'd rather we were notified, then we are aware of these changes.

    I don't often use Smegas anyway, and the reason I'm happy for them to be kept clean is that everybody who is online in-game can see them, the occasional 13-year old included. Yes, we (as in "all of us") can minimize our chat window, but that also means not being able to read buddy/party/guild chat. Most of us are adults or older teenagers, but if the rules state that 13-year olds are allowed to play, then it's probably wise not to publicly broadcast content that would probably get their parents foaming at the mouth. Yes, this is a cynical viewpoint, but in my experience, parents are typically more bothered about their children seeing "adult" material than the children themselves are.

    However (and this is a big "however"), I'm just one player, and my own personal opinions on what is and isn't acceptable are likely to vary significantly from the opinions of those who have grown up in a different time and place, with different standards.

    I think I may have wandered off-topic a couple of paragraphs back, so I shall shut up now! =)
     
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    I have updated the Clarification post. If you have any questions regarding the refined post please post here. I assume it is closer to what players were wanting from the responses we have had so far in this thread. Hopefully it is clear enough to understand.
     
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    Fair enough. We'll keep updating you (as Matt has done) if there are any more changes...which...hopefully there won't be!
     
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    So when is Ali getting her ban for her smegas regarding sexual content?
     
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    She will not because this. ^
     
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    So why was there acted upon me and not upon her, I feel totally backstabbed and disrespected..
     
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    At the time, the rule stated no using the n-word in smega or all chat.

    You violated this rule, therefore you were banned.

    It was nothing personal. I'm confused as to why you say you feel "backstabbed and disrespected." There was no unfair action taken against you based on the rules at the time of your ban.

    However, now that the rule has been updated...you're free to post another ban appeal.
     
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    Lets see..
    Maybe because no one was banned for saying it in allchat before, while not even being reported by anyone, while no one actually took any offense.. In the meanwhile she smegad things which should be an insta ban without a doubt, also she is a GM, how can you let someone that doesn't understand the rules or just breaks them for fun, be a GM?

    Why I'm taking it so personal about this? Because this is total bullshit, I feel demotivated to play at all, I'm not #1 Sader anymore, which takes away all the fun for me.. I feel so dissapointed in the staff, not acting at something so hearthless..

    What about giving a warning before acting? Like just saying, "You're not allowed to do that, the next time I or the other staff catches you doing that, you will be temp-banned" but no I just get an instant 3 day ban for saying "Sup niggas" to my friends (who are NXed to "Blacks". Sorry but there's just lack of decency..
     
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