Removal of warp-to-FM button functionality

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    The way around is for hard working leech sellers.
    It's not about the walking, it's about making sure you still have the buffs you need before it cools down.
     
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    I don't see the issue in effecting leech sellers at all, SI isn't going to be effecting mages as of the new source update regardless. On top of that there are all the new equips that have came out recently, you should easily be able to get max jump & speed that haste would give you. So I can't see a reason why this would effect anyone selling leech.

    But on the flip side, all of the things that were mentioned on how this negatively effects the server just don't make sense to me. The FM button just felt so clean to me & was one of those wow factors & was one of the few things other than the godly drop system that really shined through when other servers are just super bland in comparison. I feel like with at least this feature that it should be polled on what people think, because I can say without a doubt that the majority of the server thinks completely differently than the mods on this one.
     
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    One thing that has been hard for me as a GM intern is seeing the division and disconnect between the staff and community. As someone who has raised his opinion for things that he did not deem to be logical or “right”, I was also often on the opposing end of staff, arguing against the implementation/removal of certain aspects of the game, in the interest of my idea of the greater good. I myself argued against the implementation of mandatory boat rides a few months ago before becoming a part of staff, although ultimately this change was brought into the game.

    My point in saying this is that, despite controversial decisions having been made, the staff is constituted by regular players who strive for overall player satisfaction as well as achieving other overarching server objectives. Though there are many cases in which these two goals coincide, there are also cases where a debate and a trade-off is required, and this is proving to be a prime example.

    Some people have said that the goal of the server is to bring back the nostalgic experience while tweaking and implementing features/bringing unique perks to the server in order to maintain player satisfaction. While player satisfaction is highly important and is definitely in our interests, I think that this point itself is highly subjective. Having been on this server for a while, I think that it is easy to see that the overarching goal of the server is not a population target of XX thousand people; it’s more of a replication of the old school Maplestory. Because of this, I believe that stating that ‘the removal of the FM warp button was how the game was originally intended to be’ stands as a valid point.

    The FM warp function is convenient, and I personally would not mind having it back. It makes gamplay easier, and those who know me know that I am a huge FM hoe. That said, I still think people are prematurely making a large deal out of an issue that may reveal itself to have unexpected effects when a certain period of time actually passes. As @Michael said, these changes are not set in stone, and may be revised after a certain period of time.

    Ultimately, I wanted to say that the opinion of the community is important to the staff, and to the game as a whole. What saddens me is that there are many people on the forums whose arguments carry the implications that the staff are not players, but instead are people who purposely implement changes that will hamper the holistic experience of MapleRoyals as a server. As I mentioned with my arguing against the implementation of mandatory boat rides, staff understand the struggles of players fully well, as they are players themselves. These feedback threads give us an insight on the initial reaction of the community towards this change - some backlash to this change was definitely expected on our part. It is obvious that the decision is unpopular as of now, but I also do not think there is much to be lost in a buffer period. I hope my post will serve as a reminder that we are not ignorant of the players’ opinions, and that we also are interested in progressive change (although everyone’s definition of ‘progressive’ will differ slightly, as that is just how we are).

    Sincerely,
    A GM intern who is slightly frustrated about seeing the staff being treated as if they are somehow 'different' from everyone else in wanting the best for the server.
     
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    Go with your trial period I guess but I think it's pretty clear that the negatives will outweigh the pros even in the long run, because this is one of the biggest core features of this pserver, like it or not. Execution wise, should clearly not have been a one liner in the patch notes and there should have been a huge discussion before implementation to gauge user response. Something that shows the playerbase that you have carefully contemplated this, want to make an experimental investigation, and inform the players with due diligence.

    If you did that the playerbase wouldn't have had such a negative outlook and huge backlash, they would be open to seeing how it works for 2 weeks or so. Execution is also a key element
     
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    Okay but when there are already 4 pages a couple hours after releasing the information of discerned players talking about a feature that you are removing that completely disagree with your thoughts on it, isn't that kind of a red flag?
     
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    Sorry if my post seemed like a personal rant, I replied with some thought as to how I believe the staff feels as a whole at this moment.
     
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    The server isn't even functional and nobody has even played a single minute of this change yet, how can people sit here and already conclude it's bad?
     
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    Fm warping is whatever to me, but the boat rides?!
    READY THE PITCHFORKS PEOPLE! ~f9 - - - E

    don't kill me pls
     
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    I don't really care one way or the other, was just pointing out that there is a large amount of people that don't agree with this change.
     
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    Dfw people are mad about a warp button even though you can just use 1 scroll to go back to town, and goto fm... nice. (Yes i know fm lets you stay in the same map once you exit FM, but either way if you really wanted to socialise it's worth it. not only that, but maps other then FM will gain slight popularity, due to fm not being accessible from everywhere.)
     
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    I have a really hard time to not give feedback on my view as a player. Seeing the admins love me when I make posts, I'll do it anyway.

    Royals is a server that is up for 2 years+ now and to me it was always a server that doesn't try to be GMS-like. Royals at how it was is actually a very sweet spot on being perfect. It had the things that slow the game down removed and made sure it was always fast phased. I am actually a person that hate waiting in games (ironic right?), so the things Royals offered that skip said waiting is nice.

    To me Royals right now tries very hard to become the most GMS-like server, which is what was advertised when new source was announced. The problem is that the database is way too far into life and the DB in general is way too far to adopt to GMS-like, as well as the users. Even if Royals will become so GMS-like that everything is like Nexon, it will keep tradable nx, multiclienting, non-expiring nx, godly system, etc. This can't be removed unless you want to wipe your servers, or have the current users have a major advantage, which basically mean that all new users would be heavily handicapped. So even if you remove the few things now to become GMS-like, it will never be exactly GMS-like because the current state of Royals isn't made for GMS-like.

    The point I am making is that making a few changes to become GMS-like that heavily effect Royal's reasons why its shining' is not good for the server and would probably make more sense to do in a new world or something. You either be GMS-like or not, not both.

    Though I also see the Admin(s) point of view and there's nothing worse than be unhappy about your own server. As an owner of the server its the most important that you are happy with your own server, or else you feel annoyed and iffy about it. Most likely the admin(s) really wanted make this change. While they care about your opinions, they want to give this a try. Not because they know it will do better for server, but because that's what they are the most happy about.

    Just my 2cents if I were here active as a player. Its an opinion.
     
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    I can see why the first point is considered to be abuse, and the second point as well, though to a lesser extent. I don't think the third and fourth point are problematic though.
    Also, as long as the cashshop button exists, that fourth point is a not much of reason.
     
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    The fourth point is very valid because a lot of times when you're taking a break from training you're not gonna be staring at a wall, you're likely gonna want to socialize with your friends and do some other stuff in the background and you can't really chat with your friends if you're in the cash shop. Having instant access to the fm grants you safety from whatever map you're in without needing to travel all the way back to town and back to map if you decide to continue training; it's a small sacrifice you have to make now. It might not seem like such a big deal and I agree, but clearly it's enough of a problem to warrant such a reaction from the community.
     
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    Why is it a problem?
     
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    It's not. But you can ask the same question the other way around and it'll be the same thing, neither sides are wrong.
     
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    I have played MapleRoyals for years, and havent known the present of that FM button. Where is that Button on the screen ???
     
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    Aren't feedbacks only given after something has been tried out? Haha
     
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    I didn't even know that there's a market button to wrap to fm ~f6
     
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    Forget FM button now. Lets just hangout and chill at Henesys and HHG 1 starting from this day.
     
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    Stop asking for fm bottom
    This is a nostalgic server
    And GM is busy on fixing the server
    Stop bothering them with this idiot question

    FM warp should NEVER bring back :))
     
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