Remove CS/WS from Anniversary event

So if I'm reading your stats right @Donn1e , Anni event is roughly doubling your profit at IV2? Because other maps tend to be around a 20% increase instead iirc, so it might be better to have a targeted IV2 nerf instead to bring it in line with other mage farming locations rather than removing them entirely.

 

Including everything from the boxes, the gach and the godly pyropes.
Edit: I also magic claw the coin spawns, I don't know if the people who reported 20% increase did that too.
It will be inflated compared to others because I did hit good CS/WS rates and I abused a certain gach spot that was particularly strong at that moment, but I think this event is far more than 20% increase for pepe.
My rates are sorta easy to track always because I mostly do 1b npc a day and call it there regardless if it's on/off event.
The double spawns at pepe are a bit ridiculous when combined with events, and it's only amplified when there is any form of bonus rates.
This could obviously be slightly off because I didn't go and track every single day, but it should not be too far from it.
That's sort of my entire point about this event.

 

I would like to start with that got 0 intention to get personal, cause theres an actually lot of ppl who play like you do, and this fits them all. For those who doesnt know, this requires not only an specific set up, but also 6 to 8 hours daily session(usually way more) for most if not all of the event duration, and unlike bossing(wich is not rocket science either, but still) its the most robotic and boring kind of gameplay if it even can be called like that, so it has to be done with something on the side otherwise its unbearable to do. If you decide to do sick sessions then you deserve sick rewards its a simple as that, as long as everyone has the chance of doing the same things its fair, thats why it shoudlnt be discouraging for anyone, cause ppl who make this kind of mesos are not only sacrificing a bit of time, theyre wasting their life away, and their health for those extra coins. Personally in this case i dont think the chance of cs/ws is the issue, or even farming itself, the most unhealthy are the ones behind the screens.

Anyway, if theres a real harm caused by the CS/WS got from farmers you can hit the drop rate for these maps a little bit more or make coins only appear when youre hunting mobs within your lvl, hey you could even promote grinding with this, if its done right.

Now, if someone really cares about the whole economy of the server and the health of these ppl its as easy as replace those dumb yellow letters with "playing too much might dmg your health blah blah blah" with an LHC timer in the most popular maps with 2-3 hours( when it rans out the mobs will not drop anything anymore) OR limit the amount of ultimates a mage can do daily. cause idk, 100b in 1.5 months per person a couple of times a year is a harm, but seems like the other 400-500b they do the rest of the year might be even worse isnt it? ofc thats only if theres a genuine concern for this server economy.

P.D. for anyone that think " you can easily bypass a timer by making 3 sets of 8 mages and still farm 6/9 hours a day" ... well anyone doing that might need help

 

It seems to me that someone doesn't want the prices to go down, so they can feel comfortable with what they have :v Feel free to understand the sarcasm :V Love you, daddy

 

As a veteran player, I've never been able to get a CS or WS from Anni's boxes.

Since they increased the drop rate,

I've only gotten one WS and one CS, nothing else.

I'm not some crazy mage farmer, This event really helps new players who are just starting on the server and don't know how to earn mesos. They take advantage of it by selling the event scrolls from the Cake Boss. And I earn around 500 million. Sometimes I'm not so lucky farming the boxes and I only get a maximum of 50 to 60 boxes. And what I get most in those boxes are tons of weapons, pyropoes, and large amounts of NX. And if I'm still lucky, I might get a single CS.

Besides, there was so much complaining about CS and WS being too expensive in past years.

In this event, the price of Anni is lower.

Its price is much higher because of new players opening chests for the first time and getting WS/Cs without any effort.

Criticize the crazy multi-client mage farmers. They're farming 24/7 without sleep, and it's more common for people on the server to be active for all players (including the multi-client mules).

 

I feel like I should clarify a few things, given the comments I've read so far.
I originally made a comment on @anglerfish1's thread about this subject, let me quote the relevant part (I do encourage you to read the whole comment for context):

I decided to make this thread in addition purely for visibility, because I did want staff's attention on this subject.
Things can often be missed by staff if a separate thread is not made on the issue.
Mage farm is a problem in the eyes of most people on this server, within that problem events play the most major role, and Anniversary is the strongest of them.
So strong, that even without CS/WS it would still be the best one of the year to farm.
What I did here was show you a bit of the secret sauce formula, which you will not be able to see by browsing the forum normally.
It's confusing to me that most people will say "it's a problem that mage farmers make so much money compared to normal players", but here on this thread the most common message is "there are not that many mage farmers, let them just earn their money".

Personally, my goal is just to earn the highest meso/h I can, and it happens to be from mage farm.
It might be hard for some people to grasp (especially those who dislike me in general), but even though I am a mage farmer with no intention to stop, I do dislike the meta and I wish it wasn't as strong as it is, though not completely killed.
After so many years of watching this stale meta grow, I do want a change in direction, and I believe a lot of people feel the same.

Some of the people commenting need to understand the nuance of what I say, don't just read one part of the thread while ignoring the other.
So I will say it again, clearly; It is not ok to nerf normal single client players, and any change that will affect them needs to come with a compensation.
The name of this thread is "Remove CS/WS from Anniversary", but don't take it too literally.
There are multiple suggested solutions to make this event less profitable for farmers, as I said, my preferred one was:
"...specifically remove those rewards for mage farmers, while letting other players keep them".

Comments here accuse me of:
- Being tired of farming, and wanting to slack while not letting others catch up.
- Preserving what I have by increasing the prices.
- Twisting my rates to support my claims.
- Being an unhealthy farmer (this part is somewhat true).

I'm not sure why a lot of the people here can't just sit down and have a normal discussion.
Why do you have to go to personal lines? Is it too hard to imagine that this is genuine feedback?

Let me just clarify on this part:
1) There are no farmers that go for 24/7, it's enough to do 4-5 hours for those events and call it for the rest of the day for the numbers I posted (given you are efficient and you magic claw the mobs).
2) I have no intention to stop farming, I've done it daily since late 2021 and there are still plenty of goals to finish.
3) I couldn't care less about other farmers progression, I don't see it as "catching up to me". Honestly I didn't even think about this angle, that line of thought is funny.

What I ask of you going forward with this thread (if you actually want to have a healthy discussion):
1) Don't assume the worst intentions. Read my actual words to understand my intentions.
2) Suggest alternative solutions to the farmer event problems if you wish to, instead of only ruling out the one I present.
3) If you think there are no issues at all with this event after reading everything I said, that's also fine. I'm not trying to force my opinion on you, so don't react like I do.
4) Stick to the subject.

I hope this clears up some stuff, and that we can discuss this issue further.

 

This post gave me so many ideas for things we should cancel just because you already enjoyed them.

Did you by any chance went to a concert lately? maybe the band should retire now after you already watched them?

What about GOT or Braking bad? did you watched it already? I guess its time to remove it from all platforms never to be back again.

But please please don't tell me you already went to Disneyland because I really want to take my kids there and if you already went then I guess it needs to be closed right???

 

Did you read a single sentence from the post that's literally above you?

 

No but I did read the post you wrote and commented on it, as you literally do with posts.

 

I suggest you do that, it will give you context.
I do my best to stay respectful and on subject and to explain my approach, but it's hard when all you do is throw dense hostile comments at me that suggest you only read the title.
I wonder why I bother sometimes, I just have to hope some people actually read what I say in full.

 

As I already said, I did read the post and this is what you wrote.
After you got so many replays saying exactly what I said you decided to add things and try defend you stand AFTER you enjoyed the last year event.

This is not a hostile respond this is a funny take on what you wrote basically.
You can't just play the "hostile" card whenever something didn't go as you planned.

 

Yes, and it's very tragic that some people can't understand nuance.
It's not something that "I enjoyed" and I'm done with, it's something I will continue to enjoy and abuse, as will others.
I do not think that's healthy for many reasons I explained, but if you disagree that's fine, there's a way to communicate and explain your points.
The level of maturity you display in the way you discuss things is just not it, I'm sorry.

 

I don't know... looks like people liked my comment more then your post so I guess it IS a way to discuss things, and a pretty good one too.
It's called humor.

 

I'm not really following everything that's going on here especially some of the comments around "end-game" etc, but as a new player, I'm really looking forward to the anniversary event whenever this is! (if it's anything like I experienced back in GMS days).
I was told by the in-game community that I needed to sell AP resets to make money if I was new, which is exactly what I'm going to do as I've just turned level 50 to be able to purchase these from the cash shop. If this anniversary event is going to give me alternative ways to make money then I'm all for it so I can preserve the NX that I vote for.

 

Yes, forum likes, the true metric for the quality of your comment.
From the master of humor too, @MRmarco no less.

Look, I will admit to a fault, I get rage baited very easily, and if I was smart I wouldn't even comment to your first reply.
The goal of this thread was, and still is, to discuss the issue of the increasing gap between mage farmers and normal players during farming events.
I'm sorry that this message didn't come across as it should have, it could also be my fault with the way I worded the post, I honestly don't know.

Past me would maybe get forum banned endlessly arguing with you, because I don't think you understood any of my points if you somehow got that:

Out of what I said.

What I was hoping that was going to happen with this thread, is that people will actually discuss the issue and offer solutions, even if they're very different than mine.
It's perfectly fine to disagree with me.

Maybe another year of an Anni event like this is what's needed for this discussion to be had properly.
Genuinely sorry if I upset anyone, even though in my opinion I said or suggested nothing offensive or damaging.

@Dave Deviluke This thread did not achieve the goals that I set for it, and clearly this is not a change that the majority is interested in/is willing to discuss.
If possible, please close this thread.